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Esperanto ideologies?

de Valtteri233, 2020-septembro-12

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Nephihaha (Montri la profilon) 2020-decembro-25 12:38:05

La mesaĝo estas kaŝita.

bartlett22183 (Montri la profilon) 2020-decembro-28 11:15:17

As to whether there are other "ismoj" in Esperantujo, there is 'ATEO', the Ateista Tutmonda Esperanto-Organizo (with their own membership, semi-annual publication, and website).

Zam_franca (Montri la profilon) 2020-decembro-28 11:48:48

Nephihaha:I would disagree. Apart from the fact that it was the underpinning of Esperanto to begin with, many Esperantists hero worship Zamenhof and try and emulate his ideals. Zamenhof also wrote about it in Esperanto and saw it as a means to spread the idea. His daughter Lidia also tried to spread it through the Esperanto movement.

There are all the vegan/Communist etc Esperantists I mentioned earlier, but these are examples of tendencies which have come in from outside. Homoranismo and Esperanto are very much intertwined, and it is perhaps one of the earliest Esperanto ideologies. I would argue Finvenkismo is an outgrowth of it.
That's the point: Esperanto is a tool to spread Homaranismo, but Homaranismo is not an ideology to spread or to use efficiently Esperanto, like finvenkismo and raŭmismo. And that's the same with sennaciismo, atheism, catholicism etc. Esperanto is used to spread those beliefs. But those beliefs aren't linked to the spread of Esperanto.

Zam_franca (Montri la profilon) 2020-decembro-28 11:54:41

Nephihaha:Sennaciismo. I have to say I am utterly opposed to this one. Although this is supposedly a radical far left mutation of Esperantism, it seems to me that neoliberal globalism pushes a similar kind of thinking outside Esperanto from the right of the room, often while marketing/disguising it as pro-diversity (i.e. its opposite). I can't help thinking George Soros encountered this idea within the Esperanto community and that it would explain many of his actions, even though his capitalism and money making schemes put him on the right of the political spectrum.

The idea of a bland world that all looks the same where all people act the same etc is a kind of horror. We are already a large part of the way there, but it is not a desirable aim. Humanity has progressed when there are different ways of living and thinking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anationalism
I already said it, but sennaciismo (or anationalism) is not part of Esperantism.

George Soros doesn't support the Esperanto movement (sadly: if he did conspiracy theorists would make people know about Esperanto faster than every single Esperantist during the last 133 years). Globalism doesn't mean anationalism (and I doubt it means anything real). Wanting to empower multilateralism and international organizations like the United Nations isn't anationalism.

MiMalamasLaAnglan (Montri la profilon) 2020-decembro-28 15:28:44

Zam_franca:
Nephihaha:Sennaciismo. I have to say I am utterly opposed to this one. Although this is supposedly a radical far left mutation of Esperantism, it seems to me that neoliberal globalism pushes a similar kind of thinking outside Esperanto from the right of the room, often while marketing/disguising it as pro-diversity (i.e. its opposite). I can't help thinking George Soros encountered this idea within the Esperanto community and that it would explain many of his actions, even though his capitalism and money making schemes put him on the right of the political spectrum.

The idea of a bland world that all looks the same where all people act the same etc is a kind of horror. We are already a large part of the way there, but it is not a desirable aim. Humanity has progressed when there are different ways of living and thinking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anationalism
I already said it, but sennaciismo (or anationalism) is not part of Esperantism.

George Soros doesn't support the Esperanto movement (sadly: if he did conspiracy theorists would make people know about Esperanto faster than every single Esperantist during the last 133 years). Globalism doesn't mean anationalism (and I doubt it means anything real). Wanting to empower multilateralism and international organizations like the United Nations isn't anationalism.
If George Soros did support the Esperanto movement then the fina venko probably would have been close to happening and there would be hundreds of millions of esperantistoj. I wonder whether it's well known among ne-esperantistoj that George Soros's last name was intentionally chosen as an Esperanto word (soros = "will soar", his previous Esperanto name was the phonetic Ŝvarc, according to Wikipedia, but strangely the Esperanto version says that his name is pronounced ŝoroŝ). I think that that should be shared with more people.

Zam_franca (Montri la profilon) 2020-decembro-28 16:14:56

George Soros's last name was intentionally chosen as an Esperanto word
I heard about a theory about that, but I didn't know it could be considered as a fact. If it can, that's pretty exciting IMO.

MiMalamasLaAnglan (Montri la profilon) 2020-decembro-31 15:19:49

Zam_franca:
George Soros's last name was intentionally chosen as an Esperanto word
I heard about a theory about that, but I didn't know it could be considered as a fact. If it can, that's pretty exciting IMO.
What reason is there to believe that it's not true?

Frano (Montri la profilon) 2020-decembro-31 17:58:00

Zam_franca (Montri la profilon) 2021-januaro-01 11:23:09

MiMalamasLaAnglan:
Zam_franca:I heard about a theory about that, but I didn't know it could be considered as a fact. If it can, that's pretty exciting IMO.
What reason is there to believe that it's not true?
Well, as far as I know it's not confirmed. The etymology of "Soros" could be totally different.

MiMalamasLaAnglan (Montri la profilon) 2021-januaro-01 17:15:30

Frano:Finvenkisma ideologio: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:AN...DBxYRld7ffvY0z5JjyYVVQ5F6w&usqp=CAU
Mi samtempe estas raŭmisto kaj finvenkisto. Mi kaj volas, ke ĉiuj parolu esperanton, kaj komprenas la gravecon de la esperata kulturo. (tio tute ne havas sencon)

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