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veens705 (프로필 보기) 2024년 4월 8일 오후 7:59:18
Usually it is folly to ask "why" about inconsequent grammar in a language, but since this is Esperanto the question is valid.
I see the number 2506. I write it as "dumil kvincent ses" which seems good to me, but it is wrong. It has to be "du mil kvincent ses", with a space between "du" and "mil". Why a space there while there is none between "kvin" and "cent"?
regards: Jan
Metsis (프로필 보기) 2024년 4월 9일 오전 7:26:43
The fourth rule in La Fundamento says (original emphasis)
La Fundamento:Note, that Zamenhof does not mention thousands. This vagueness has led that most, but not all, think that you should write du mil kvincent ses, because Zamenhof did not say that thousands should be written together like tens and hundreds. PMEG teaches this way. Other sees omitting thousands simply as a lapsus by Z and write dumil kvincent ses.
The tens and hundreds are formed by simple junction of the numerals, e. g. 533 = kvin'cent tri'dek tri.
IIRC Duolingo uses different grouping that PMEG.
Personally I can live with both ways as long as you are consistent within a text.
Altebrilas (프로필 보기) 2024년 4월 9일 오전 10:44:32
"Cent" and "mil" don't play the same role. See:
342506
The number of thousands is not 2, but 342.
It the same with bigger numbers, but "miliono" is a name, and the space is mandatory.
Metsis (프로필 보기) 2024년 4월 10일 오전 6:40:44
Altebrilas:It the same with bigger numbers, but "miliono" is a name, and the space is mandatory.Personally I find this substantivation of larger numbers misfortunate, both as a philosophical question "why treat different numbers differently? are some numbers more equal than others?" and as a pratical issue. Namely the substantivation causes the issue how to combine "true" numbers and substantivated numbers into mixed expressions, see the chapter Miksitaj nombroj in PMEG.
I am for the forms "miljon" and "miljard" mentioned in the remark in that chapter, and can say in speech "Tie loĝas miljon homoj.", but I understand that that is not normative Esperanto.
Altebrilas (프로필 보기) 2024년 4월 10일 오후 12:12:50
Tio ŝajnas konfuza, kvankam matetike korekta.
Same kiel biliono, triliono kiuj estas malsame komprenataj laŭ la landoj.
Prefere oni uzu la jam internaciajn sciencajn prefiksojn :
1234567890 estus
Unu giga du cent tridek kvar mega kvin cent sesdek sep mil okcent naŭdek
La prefiksoj uzeblas kiel memstaraj numeraloj.
Tiu metodo jam sukcesis por nomi kreskaĵojn en Esperanto . Kiam io jam estas internacia, nia lingvo adoptu ĝin!
amigueo (프로필 보기) 2024년 4월 12일 오전 7:32:55
Altebrilas:Miliono estas miljard milonoj.Mega dolaroj, giga euxroj, tera juxanoj, kilo amikoj, hekto piroj, deka pomoj, deci melono, mili lando...
Tio ŝajnas konfuza, kvankam matetike korekta.
Same kiel biliono, triliono kiuj estas malsame komprenataj laŭ la landoj.
Prefere oni uzu la jam internaciajn sciencajn prefiksojn :
1234567890 estus
Unu giga du cent tridek kvar mega kvin cent sesdek sep mil okcent naŭdek
La prefiksoj uzeblas kiel memstaraj numeraloj.
Tiu metodo jam sukcesis por nomi kreskaĵojn en Esperanto . Kiam io jam estas internacia, nia lingvo adoptu ĝin!
Cxu?
Megaj aux megaoj?