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ESATA

de robinast, 2008-decembro-16

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Lingvo: English

robinast (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-16 16:23:25

Accidentally, I stumbled upon this today. Seemed quite interesting to me rido.gif ...

A quote from there:
Esperanto * is the most significant constructed language which has been produced to date. In over a century however, it has failed to acquire the critical mass necessary to make it an instrument of real practical value. Experience with Esperanto has proved however, that an artificial language can effectively overcome the problems of communication between different language groups.

In this same period English has emerged as the de facto international language. English will continue to grow in importance as an international language, but it also has serious problems: it is relatively difficult to learn, and contains many irregularities, especially in orthography and pronunciation Esata attempts to remedy these problems: it is regular, and much simpler, so easier to learn. Esata also has lots of vocabulary and some grammatical elements from non English languages, so it has a more international flavor.
Interesting, isn't it? Especially the statement that "Esperanto ... can effectively overcome the problems of communication between different language groups" and still it's not "an instrument of real practical value"...

*In original, there was no bold text, it's just my addition.

Harri.

jan aleksan (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-16 19:34:48

Thanks Robinast, I'll take a look to it and will make my own opinion,

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erinja (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-17 02:51:56

Esata advertises so heavily online! I feel like I get an ad for it on my sidebar in Gmail anytime I even mention the word "language".

I looked at it a couple times. It reminded me of Volapuk, in a way; it took English words and made them completely unrecognizable, so that they might as well be random sounds. Or maybe like a cross between Volapuk and Toki Pona, since it seems to emphasize a limited word list as well.

I have never heard of someone speaking it, though. It reminds me of Slovio in that respect ridulo.gif

atomsk (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-17 03:42:27

I just checked it out as a curiosity, and am I the only one (perhaps as a native English speaker) who thinks this is nothing more than bad English.

i.e. i saw this word...'hubiyu?' translation... 'who are you?' and I immediately thought BAD ENGLISH. jmo

Senlando (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-17 03:44:22

erinja:Esata advertises so heavily online! I feel like I get an ad for it on my sidebar in Gmail anytime I even mention the word "language".

I looked at it a couple times. It reminded me of Volapuk, in a way; it took English words and made them completely unrecognizable, so that they might as well be random sounds. Or maybe like a cross between Volapuk and Toki Pona, since it seems to emphasize a limited word list as well.

I have never heard of someone speaking it, though. It reminds me of Slovio in that respect ridulo.gif
haha, "Toki Pona" i remember looking that up on the internet about a year ago. I think it only uses positive words or something. sounded a little fruity to me (please take no offense ridulo.gif I think it would be a great language for a cartoon, like the teletubbies.

I also looked up Esata about the same time (was actually an add on this site, or Google, i was surfing lernu when i found it.)
It doesn't seem to bring anything new or interesting to the table as far as constructed languages would go( i found Toki Poka much more interesting!). of course that;s a personal opinion.

I just wish that if people are to invent yet another con-language they would offer something really extraordinary, if they want to compete with all the planned languages out there. Lojban i thought was an interesting idea, although it seemed kind of ugly and really complicated to learn the grammar (perhaps if i ever have the time after i finish learning esperanto, spanish, french, arabic and taiwanese!). wish me luck lango.gif

ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-17 04:05:52

erinja:It reminded me of Volapuk
No, NOTHING compares to Volapük's awesomeness! rido.gif Not even Esperanto lango.gif

Senlando:haha, "Toki Pona" i remember looking that up on the internet about a year ago. I think it only uses positive words or something. sounded a little fruity to me (please take no offense ridulo.gif I think it would be a great language for a cartoon, like the teletubbies.
On the note of children's television shows, I don't know if it's outside Aus but has anyone heard of The Amazing Adrenalini Brothers? They speak the coolest gibberish ever, It'd be awesome to make a conlang like that.
(http://www.adrenalini.com/ - on the site they have a section, 'Learn Rendoosian', you'll see what I mean lango.gif)
I just wish that if people are to invent yet another con-language they would offer something really extraordinary
I've noticed that conlanging seems to be a bit of an artistic fad as of late, the guy who create Slovianski has worked on a bit of creative projects.
Here's his site: http://steen.free.fr/

Rogir (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-17 14:56:18

Yet another conlang, we do not need any more conlangs. If any, we need to unite behind one, but in practice that's already happened. Whenever someone says "Esperanto has failed to acquire the critical mass", I always mentally put 'yet' behind it. We're a century old and still growing. Vivu la finvenko!

ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-17 15:40:30

Rogir:Yet another conlang, we do not need any more conlangs. If any, we need to unite behind one, but in practice that's already happened. Whenever someone says "Esperanto has failed to acquire the critical mass", I always mentally put 'yet' behind it. We're a century old and still growing. Vivu la finvenko!
I would refine that as 'we don't need another useless auxiliary conlang'. I'm alright with people being creative and making conlangs for fun (it's very useful for books, movies, manga or video games, if you have a forte in any of them). Anything related to creativity and the human mind I would be reluctant to stem (within moral limits of course!). As I like to say - we don't want 1984 and Newspeak ridulo.gif

Additionally, I'd would still argue (please don't flame, just putting it out there) that Esperanto is still too immature to become a world language right now - in neutrality, pronunciation and some other related areas, but as Rogir said, 'yet' is the keyword, and I'm sure these things will work themselves out in time (it would be good to see a reduction in consonant clusters for the sake of a whole heap of African, Asian and maybe even Semitic languages, otherwise they might as well learn English with a simplified grammar).

Frankouche (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-17 16:52:20

Rogir:Whenever someone says "Esperanto has failed to acquire the critical mass"
It is possible to make explode, under the critical mass. You have to increase the density of the mass... okulumo.gif

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2008-decembro-17 17:04:59

Semitic languages have loads of weird consonant clusters. I hardly think Esperanto would present significant problems to them.

In any case, Esperanto isn't perfect, but we will never reach perfection. Esperanto also won't evolve fast enough to get rid of these "imperfect" traits fast enough to please everybody. I think that "good enough" is fine; we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I think it's neutral enough, easy enough, etc. And it beats any other proposed languages I have seen. And it already has a large community of speakers, so even if you start from scratch, you lose that whole community and body of literature.

Messing with Esperanto to "perfect" it will just kill off what has been built so far. I say, go and write your own language if you don't like Esperanto.

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