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Definite articles in esperanto?

alexbeard,2009年1月2日の

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言語: English

alexbeard (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月2日 21:17:39

Could someone explain to me when to use the definite article in esperanto? Is it before any noun? How does it work? Thank you.

edit:also are there indefinite articles in esperanto?

alexbeard (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月2日 22:03:52

Thing is english omits omits "the" alot
For example, the word "english" omits "the"

And the use of the definite article is different in every language, I doubt the creater of esperanto would have based it completely on english.

Rodrigoo (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月2日 22:06:27

alexbeard (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月2日 22:12:03

Thank you rideto.gif but I don't speak esperanto very well. Can anyone give me a link so something that is in english?

Oŝo-Jabe (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月2日 22:54:41

alexbeard:Thank you rideto.gif but I don't speak esperanto very well. Can anyone give me a link so something that is in english?
Does this help? http://donh.best.vwh.net/Esperanto/rules.html#ar...

alexbeard (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月3日 0:58:57

Thank you, that helps a lot.

danielcg (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月3日 2:03:27

In case of doubt, omit the article and see if the phrase is specific enough according to what you want to say.

For example:

Mi vidis viron = I saw a man (no matter who).

Mi vidis la viron = I saw the man (that one we are speaking about)

I think you could omit the article before "angla" (English):

"En Esperanto ne ekzistas nedifinita artikolo, male kiel en angla" seems correct to me. ("There is no indefinite article in Esperanto, unlike in English.")

However, with regard to languages we generally use the definite article because "la angla" is really an abbreviation of "la angla lingvo" (not any language, but "the" English language).

And why do we say Esperanto with no article and generally capitalized? Because originally it is not the name of a language, but his creator's alias (Doktoro Esperanto = La doktoro kiu esperas = The doctor who hopes).

Regards,

Daniel

alexbeard:Thing is english omits omits "the" alot
For example, the word "english" omits "the"

And the use of the definite article is different in every language, I doubt the creater of esperanto would have based it completely on english.

erinja (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月3日 2:42:16

The "la" in "la angla" is not optional. If you were simply to call it "angla", it sounds weird, because the listener is still waiting for the noun that is being described as "English". By adding "la", we are telling the listener that we are talking about the language.

So if I were to say "Tio ne estas kiel en angla", I would understand this to mean "That's not like in an English..." and I'd be waiting to hear, "An English what?"

ceigered (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月3日 5:28:00

erinja:The "la" in "la angla" is not optional. If you were simply to call it "angla", it sounds weird, because the listener is still waiting for the noun that is being described as "English". By adding "la", we are telling the listener that we are talking about the language.

So if I were to say "Tio ne estas kiel en angla", I would understand this to mean "That's not like in an English..." and I'd be waiting to hear, "An English what?"
On that note, what is the actual noun for the English language, or does it have to be an adjective-noun construction like 'Angla lingvo'? If there was a precise noun for the word 'English (language)', then you'd be able to write it without a definite article, right?

(Sorry If my typing is bad I am typing this while kneeling because I have too much stuff on my chair to sit on it :S)

danielcg (プロフィールを表示) 2009年1月3日 5:37:08

Thanks, Erinja.

I always say "la angla", but I thought the article was not mandatory. It seems that I was wrong.

Regards,

Daniel

erinja:The "la" in "la angla" is not optional. If you were simply to call it "angla", it sounds weird, because the listener is still waiting for the noun that is being described as "English". By adding "la", we are telling the listener that we are talking about the language.

So if I were to say "Tio ne estas kiel en angla", I would understand this to mean "That's not like in an English..." and I'd be waiting to hear, "An English what?"

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