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Miland (Mostrar o perfil) 4 de fevereiro de 2009 14:23:26
Perhaps hangul could offer a solution to the problem of learning a huge number of Chinese or Japanese characters - any Chinese or Japanese speakers have an opinion on this?
erinja (Mostrar o perfil) 5 de fevereiro de 2009 01:15:13
You would need to add characters to make it suitable even for writing another Asian language in Hangul - let alone Esperanto. It doesn't distinguish between r and l, for example. It doesn't distinguish between t and d, or between b and p.
As for writing Esperanto, I think most Asians learn the Latin alphabet. It seems needlessly complex to make them learn yet another alphabet, and I doubt that learning Hangul is easier than learning the Latin alphabet anyway.
ceigered (Mostrar o perfil) 5 de fevereiro de 2009 09:09:51
Out of all the alphabets I know, only the Latin, Cyrillic could ever be suitable for Esperanto right from the word go. And only one of them is well known world wide (cyrillic should be known world wide, but for early medieval political reasons it seems to have been treated with a 3-meter long stick in European education).
Miland (Mostrar o perfil) 5 de fevereiro de 2009 13:18:08
Rogir (Mostrar o perfil) 5 de fevereiro de 2009 13:21:04
eikored85 (Mostrar o perfil) 11 de fevereiro de 2009 04:03:36
Miland:Apparently the Korean professor Hyun-Bok Lee developed the IKPA (international Korean phonetic alphabet) to solve this problem. It appears to be based on hangul.Hmm do you have the paper that the professor wrote? I clicked on your link, but I couldn't access the paper because it is password-protected.
I agree that unless you make severe modifications to the Hangul alphabet, it would be a poor choice for writing esperanto. Part of the reason is the tendency for Hangul to be written in one-syllable blocks, which is wonderful for writing the Korean language, but which is not very suitable for esperanto.
I'm still curious to see what other alphabets have been devised for writing esperanto. There have been rumors of different alphabets that have been proposed over the years to give esperanto its own distinct visual appeal, even of many of those ideas weren't meant to be taken seriously.
eikored85 (Mostrar o perfil) 11 de fevereiro de 2009 04:10:22
ceigered:Hangul is too limited in sounds to be of use learning Esperanto. Of course, that could lead to the discussion of the possible fact that Esperanto has too many sounds, but thats a gray area I don't think anyone should step into without proper protection.Actually, I think the Greek alphabet could also work, since it's a close cousin of both the Latin and Cyrillic alphabets.
Out of all the alphabets I know, only the Latin, Cyrillic could ever be suitable for Esperanto right from the word go. And only one of them is well known world wide (cyrillic should be known world wide, but for early medieval political reasons it seems to have been treated with a 3-meter long stick in European education).
I could also envision Esperanto being written with the Arabic script, though that could be awkward due to the fact that the Arabic alphabet only has 3 written vowels (which also serve as semi-vowels, and thus create ambiguity), and all other vowels are omitted in normal writing. It's another case of an alphabet that works very well to write the language that it is meant for, but does not work well in writing other languages.
Miland (Mostrar o perfil) 11 de fevereiro de 2009 09:15:43
eikored85:Hmm do you have the paper that the professor wrote? I clicked on your link, but I couldn't access the paper because it is password-protected..I'm afraid not. But I managed to write to one of his colleagues with a message in Esperanto to forward, if he were willing, so with a bit of luck I might hear something useful eventually. I understand from a phonetics expert in the UK that Koreans find the system a useful learning aid.
RLHotchkiss (Mostrar o perfil) 14 de julho de 2016 18:26:00
With the advent of smart watches it may be necessary to use word characters to conserve space. In such a system thee would be between a few hundred to a couple of thousand Chinese characters that would represent the most common Esperanto roots and affixes. Hangul letters would then be used for roots not represented by Chinese Characters. This should greatly reduce the amount of screen space needed for written esperanto. If it was done correctly an Esperanto speaker who hadn't learned the Chinese characters could press a button and the text would either be converted to Hangul or roman characters. This would also allow Esperanto to look more natural in Korean texts and texts that use Chinese characters primarily.
Vestitor (Mostrar o perfil) 14 de julho de 2016 20:04:12