What National Language Does Esperanto Most Closely Resemble?
של jsewell94, 27 ביולי 2009
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שפה: English
mnlg (הצגת פרופיל) 28 ביולי 2009, 21:00:53
Ironchef:it's been invaded itself from Bulgarian, Hungarian and Turkish so it's as much as mix as Esperanto in that wayDon't forget Russian/Slavic and Italian/French.
This page shows the same text, with French/Italian loanwords, Slavic loanwords, and purely Romanian words. I found it quite impressive.
Miland (הצגת פרופיל) 28 ביולי 2009, 21:50:44
jchthys:I’ve got it! Soundwise, Esperanto resembles Romanian..I've never studied Romanian, but that sounds like a very good point, particularly as Zamenhof was a East European.
Ironchef (הצגת פרופיל) 30 ביולי 2009, 14:21:46
mnlg:Bulgarian is slavic. And was Romanian directly influenced by French/Italian? Or is that just the original Latin coming through in all three?Ironchef:it's been invaded itself from Bulgarian, Hungarian and Turkish so it's as much as mix as Esperanto in that wayDon't forget Russian/Slavic and Italian/French.
jchthys (הצגת פרופיל) 30 ביולי 2009, 14:30:06
Ironchef:Romanian and Italian are sister languages (Romanian being the closer to Latin), but being around Slavic languages has influenced the phonology, etc.mnlg:Bulgarian is slavic. And was Romanian directly influenced by French/Italian? Or is that just the original Latin coming through in all three?Ironchef:it's been invaded itself from Bulgarian, Hungarian and Turkish so it's as much as mix as Esperanto in that wayDon't forget Russian/Slavic and Italian/French.
ceigered (הצגת פרופיל) 30 ביולי 2009, 16:32:08
Different stress (Romanian = moderately free)
Different rhythm
Different vowels (Romanian has more vowels)
Different case system (therefore you don't here 'o' or 'oj' all the time like in EO)
Definite article is at the back, not anything like Eo's 'la' (e.g. Eu sunt un bărbat = I am a man, El eşti bărbatul = He is the man, femeie = woman, femeia = the woman)
(I say that confidently, as my art teacher was of Romanian descent and she sometimes spoke to me in Romanian in class to see how much I could understand being so inquisitive as I was back then. Ever since then, Romanian has been the only language that I could ever understand 30-50% right off the bat without prior study... even studied languages never were so great for my comprehension
) Ironchef (הצגת פרופיל) 30 ביולי 2009, 19:09:31
ceigered:... I can't see romanian as alike Esperanto....Yep, you are correct in that. My interpretation of the question was more "What language does Esperanto most resemble when heard by someone who doesn't know what it is".
ceigered (הצגת פרופיל) 31 ביולי 2009, 00:07:41
Ironchef (הצגת פרופיל) 31 ביולי 2009, 16:08:21
ceigered:Ah my mistakeNo need to apologize. I enjoy reading your insights and views on language in general. Please feel free to disagree with anything I say, I don't offend easily, specially when it fuels discussion.
astrodino (הצגת פרופיל) 1 באוגוסט 2009, 15:42:08
jchthys:I’ve got it! Soundwise, Esperanto resembles Romanian—Romance-sounding, but with lots of [ĉĝĵŝ] sounds that remind one of a Slavic language.Mi konsentas!
Jen io el youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfuq3HfoGUU
...tre simila cxu ne? ( kvankam, gxi ankaux similas la italan lingvon ).
Miland (הצגת פרופיל) 1 באוגוסט 2009, 16:12:35
astrodino:Jen io el youtube...Don't forget to provide a translation; this is the English-speaking forum. I'll do this one. Your message was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfuq3HfoGUU
...tre simila ĉu ne? ( kvankam, ĝi ankaŭ similas la italan lingvon ).
Here's something from Youtube...
..very similar, isn't it? (although, it is also similar to Italian)
Agreed! At least, this particular video sounds similar to both Esperanto and Italian.