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Oŝo-Jabe (הצגת פרופיל) 19 בספטמבר 2009, 04:24:45
What do you think, does this explanation hold up in actual usage?
Rogir (הצגת פרופיל) 19 בספטמבר 2009, 21:55:49
Oŝo-Jabe (הצגת פרופיל) 20 בספטמבר 2009, 04:33:51
Rogir:Nah, it's just some kind of convention taking from many other languages.Obviously, but if the form is going to be prevalent, there might as well be an explanation that isn't "anti-Foundational."
Names have always been pretty much a free-for-all in Esperanto, and that's okay. However, with the ones that fall into nice categories (like feminine names ending in -a) it's nice to have rules for them that make it easier to use them freely.
Like, what if I want to talk about "Paula-like thoughts" - then I can say "Paŭlaj pensoj," from "Paŭla (ino)" not "Paŭlaaj pensoj." (Of course, the first one would also be Paul-like thoughts...)
formiĉjo (הצגת פרופיל) 20 בספטמבר 2009, 07:16:44
Oŝo-Jabe:I just read an interesting explanation of the "-a" endings at the end of female names. Kolocsay argued ...Kie vi legis tion?
Oŝo-Jabe (הצגת פרופיל) 20 בספטמבר 2009, 09:13:20
formiĉjo:At Vikipedio. The actual proposal was that _every_ female name should end with the adjectival -a, and the justification was that it would pertain to an elided "ino."Oŝo-Jabe:I just read an interesting explanation of the "-a" endings at the end of female names. Kolocsay argued ...Kie vi legis tion?
I did a little digging and found that the quoted text probably originated from this excerpt from Literatura Mondo.
ceigered (הצגת פרופיל) 20 בספטמבר 2009, 16:31:45
(I was thinking this because I was wondering if someone called 'Paŭla' in a theoretical Esperantejo/ujo would appreciate being only an adjective and not a bonafied substantive
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Donniedillon (הצגת פרופיל) 20 בספטמבר 2009, 19:20:47
I know I shouldn't be bringing up this topic, BUT, would it be wrong to just use paŭlo for boys and girls and completely skip a whole step of complexity? After all, there are many names out there that are unisex or have no innate gender and seem to work fine.Agreed! I see no reason to have to identify someone's gender by their name alone. I have a male friend named Ashley, a female friend named Ryan, and another male friend who shares the same name as my mother Joe/Jo. Context has always been enough to keep from being confused about gender.
Oŝo-Jabe (הצגת פרופיל) 20 בספטמבר 2009, 20:33:46
Donniedillon:Both of you are, of course, right. That would be infinitely more easy than having two separate naming systems, especially considering that some languages are the total opposite of feminine-a/masculine-o systems.I know I shouldn't be bringing up this topic, BUT, would it be wrong to just use paŭlo for boys and girls and completely skip a whole step of complexity? After all, there are many names out there that are unisex or have no innate gender and seem to work fine.Agreed! I see no reason to have to identify someone's gender by their name alone. I have a male friend named Ashley, a female friend named Ryan, and another male friend who shares the same name as my mother Joe/Jo. Context has always been enough to keep from being confused about gender.
I was only thinking that the adjective-noun format for feminine names ending in -a was interesting. It reminds me of Toki Pona, where names are adjectives describing "jan"-person.
formiĉjo (הצגת פרופיל) 20 בספטמבר 2009, 21:06:51
Oŝo-Jabe (הצגת פרופיל) 20 בספטמבר 2009, 21:43:47
formiĉjo:Do, ĉu oni diras "Mi kisas Paŭla-on" aŭ "Mi kisas Paŭlan"? Mi forgesis tion, kion "Gerda malaperis" uzis.Based on the sentence "Ili trovas Gerdan en la koridoro," I would say that it takes the "Mi kisas Paŭlan"-route.