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horsto (プロフィールを表示) 2009年9月26日 22:00:07
Momomomomo:No, I don't think so. For me it's clear that, no matter if you select something in a menu, or if you press a button in a graphical user interface or if you enter a command on the command line of a Linux (Unix) system, you always give an order to your computer, and therefore an imperative form perfectly suits.
Meh, I think we english speakers are just too lazy to put "to" on the font of everything
tommjames (プロフィールを表示) 2009年9月26日 23:01:57
Oŝo-Jabe:What about role-playing game menus? Would the button say "mortigi drakon" or "mortigu drakon" if the character is supposed to be you?I don't think all buttons are necessarily like giving a command to the computer, and what you mention here is a good example of it, and of why I'm not a fan of the imperative form.. it's too strong and in some cases, like this one, can be counter intuitive. A lot of times you won't want to give a command to the computer to do something, you just want to indicate that it is your desired action. In such a case "mortigu" makes little sense since it's me doing the killing, not the computer. Unless of course you think you're telling yourself to do it
IMHO the best solution is the one that is most neutral, applicable to all situations, and for me that is the infinitive. I can certainly see the logic in the imperative form but there's just something I find slightly too "overdone" about it. I guess you could argue for imperative forms when it makes sense and infinitive forms when it doesn't, but personally I think it's more elegant just to have one form across the board.
yugary (プロフィールを表示) 2009年9月27日 8:09:37
ceigered:The -u form to me is more like commanding and telling the user what to do, therefore if you have two buttons (let's say, 'delete' and 'save' (forigi and savi if I'm correct?)) . . .Actually, 'savi' means 'save' in the sense of 'rescue' or 'deliver from danger' and the like. For your purpose, it would probably be best to use 'konservi' or 'surdiskigi' or even the more general 'registri' (meaning 'record' in the sense of 'entering something into a retrievable record--i.e., a book, a list, a database, an audio recording, a video, and so on).
'Forigi' seems fine for 'delete', but I notice that some programs use 'forviŝi'.
Matthieu (プロフィールを表示) 2009年9月27日 8:25:27
Infinitivo/imperativoI think we use similar rules in French.
La tradukteamo de OpenOffice.org uzas la jenan regulon pri uzado de imperativo en surekranaj tekstoj kaj menueroj: oni uzas ĝin kiam temas pri instrukcio al la uzanto, ekz. “Entajpu vian pasvorton” aŭ “Elektu el la ĉi suba listo”. Krom tio, oni uzu i-formojn: “Konservi dosieron”, “Kopii tekston”, k.s.
ceigered (プロフィールを表示) 2009年9月27日 13:59:57
yugary:Cheers Yugary for the correctionsceigered:The -u form to me is more like commanding and telling the user what to do, therefore if you have two buttons (let's say, 'delete' and 'save' (forigi and savi if I'm correct?)) . . .Actually, 'savi' means 'save' in the sense of 'rescue' or 'deliver from danger' and the like. For your purpose, it would probably be best to use 'konservi' or 'surdiskigi' or even the more general 'registri' (meaning 'record' in the sense of 'entering something into a retrievable record--i.e., a book, a list, a database, an audio recording, a video, and so on).
'Forigi' seems fine for 'delete', but I notice that some programs use 'forviŝi'.
- having the word 'save' in English being used for storing data really makes things confusing 
Ironchef (プロフィールを表示) 2009年9月30日 20:30:51