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Perhaps I am over reacting?

kelle poolt FreeXenon, 8. veebruar 2010

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FreeXenon (Näita profiili) 8. veebruar 2010 17:33.28

I have found this page on Esperanto Strato which was a direct copy of [url=www.arionshome.com/esperanto/eo-links/]my Esperanto Links page[/url]. I understand that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but I think this person may have gone too far.

As you can see I have posted a comment asking him to link to my page instead of copying my work wholesale, but I have not received any response.

What say you? Am I 'over reacting' or is there a 'cause for concern'?

tommjames (Näita profiili) 8. veebruar 2010 17:49.42

I know I certainly wouldn't appreciate it. At the very least there will be mismatches and missing links when one or the other page is modified.

By the way the link in your post above (to your own page) appears broken.

FreeXenon (Näita profiili) 8. veebruar 2010 18:00.56

Hmmm... your right it should be:

www.arionshome.com/esperanto/eo-links/

erinja (Näita profiili) 8. veebruar 2010 20:19.24

You aren't overreacting. And if you don't get a response from this person in the near future, I would use the link at the top of the page to report abuse.

FreeXenon (Näita profiili) 8. veebruar 2010 20:32.30

I have used that link and Google have not done anything about it. =(

I did not expect that they would, but I did try.

andogigi (Näita profiili) 8. veebruar 2010 21:53.22

I assume you have been polite about the matter (as your comments on that page appear to be), in which case I certainly don't think you are overreacting in the slightest. I'm sure that compiling those links took time and effort on your part and, at the very least, I think you have the right to ask for proper attribution to your own page. Fair is fair.

Miland (Näita profiili) 8. veebruar 2010 22:55.13

FreeXenon:I have found this .. direct copy of [url=www.arionshome.com/esperanto/eo-links/]my Esperanto Links page[/url].. I think this person may have gone too far.
.. Am I 'over reacting' or is there a 'cause for concern'?
You've put a lot of work into compiling your lists, and at the very least this person could have done you the courtesy of acknowledging the source of his information. I think you were right to reprimand him.

bitterbug (Näita profiili) 9. veebruar 2010 4:33.49

As nice as your page is, there's not much of a case for Google to take action.

It's a collection of links, and that's definitely going to sit lower in priority than a collection of provably copy-written material.

If they were consistently reproducing your blog posts, or scanning pages from a book you authored you could probably expect some help.

But they can't be expected to take action against a user just because another person makes a claim against them.

I used to handle the users that did this sort of thing at a free web hosting company, and while many were stealing other peoples work we also got false claims from competing sites. Without evidence in favor of one side or the other, the usual response is to reserve judgment until such time as the evidence is made available.

ceigered (Näita profiili) 9. veebruar 2010 8:22.14

From one point of view, all information already exists dormantly until processed by something, like our minds, so all information is essentially copied from some place anyway. That could lead to an anarchist point of view, like "all information should belong to everyone, so share, people!".

On the other point of view, it's very odd behaviour for someone to copy someone's links willy-nilly.

I'm also sure I've seen FreeXenon's link page well before the post-date of Esperanto(a?) Strato's version.

Anyway, try talking to them again but in Esperanto. Maybe they simply just don't understand English and copied the whole links page without understanding it but assuming it was useful.

Alciona (Näita profiili) 10. veebruar 2010 0:26.09

ceigered:From one point of view, all information already exists dormantly until processed by something, like our minds, so all information is essentially copied from some place anyway. That could lead to an anarchist point of view, like "all information should belong to everyone, so share, people!".
True, from one viewpoint all information begins free and should remain free. However, it's the work involved in collecting it, organising it, designing it and communicating it that deserves some recognition. Copying information without attribution is in effect trying to take credit for someone else's hard work. Even if there's no money involved it's still plagiarism and highly unethical.

For example, in Australia the Telstra telephone directory is protected by IP law not because it contains original information, but because the work involved in putting it together satisfies requirements of an original compilation. (Link)

I agree that it could be a language or cultural issue. I teach international students and some countries don't have the same notion of plagiarism or intellectual property that others do. A polite note in Esperanto explaining the value of intellectual property in your own culture might be all that's required to get due credit on his blog post. If this has occurred because of a cultural misunderstanding this is the perfect opportunity for Esperanto to further international understanding between people! okulumo.gif
Update: The Federal court appears to have changed its mind. Telephone directories are now not protected by copyright in Australia. Telstra loses copyright case

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