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JOW (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-13 15:13:38
trojo:One thing on that topic I was thinking about today was words for body parts, e.g. leg, arm, head, etc. Such words are tremendously productive, e.g. "head" can refer to literal head, a leadership position, or the top of some physical object.I think this is a really important insight. I've tried to do that with Neo Patwa. I think one problem with many philosophical languages is that they start from the idea of logic rather than the human experience. Real languages essentially begin from a human perspective. So all languages have words for "eye" or "head," because it is a universal human experience. Etymologically, many abstract words can be traced back either to body parts or to simple tools or landscape features. Just the way that in English€ we can use "leaf" to mean a piece of paper.
ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-13 16:25:27
JOW:Real languages essentially begin from a human perspective.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Human_language
Interestingly, despite the highly disputed and questionable methods of deriving the table towards the bottom, it seems that many "human" things (like "water" and "smell/nose") seem to be very similar in many language families.
For all we know, however, those proto-languages which the proto-human table derives from could be utter bollocks, but it is still very interesting given what you said (and if it is all wrong in the end, then it is still interesting psychologically as something has biased the researcher's work - maybe a hidden language belonging to the brain?)
Greyshades (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-13 20:55:07
ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-14 11:34:17
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Hee hee
jan aleksan (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-14 13:18:47
k1attack (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-14 16:48:19
jan aleksan (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-14 17:30:03
k1attack:Computers just use two words: "0" and "1"!1
Greyshades (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-14 17:53:07
The word was "mu". Something like cows >_>
k1attack (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-14 17:56:52
Greyshades:On another forum I saw people talking in a one word language, kinda like Puna.Answer my question on my post on Vuyamu.
The word was "mu". Something like cows >_>
JOW (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-15 03:37:06
ceigered:It is very interesting. The difficult issue there, I think, is whether the words resemble each other because of a common ancestry, or if it's a structural issue. I suspect that in many cases, it is a structural thing, though sound symbolism. It's very natural that many languages will have a word for "drum" that has a "t" sound in it, like tom-tom. After all, that's what a drum sounds like (at least expressed in human terms). So ideas like water may have something similar going on, though obviously much more subtle. The word for "suck" has an "s" sound in many language, but it doesn't have necessarily to do with a common ancestry.JOW:Real languages essentially begin from a human perspective.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Human_language
Interestingly, despite the highly disputed and questionable methods of deriving the table towards the bottom, it seems that many "human" things (like "water" and "smell/nose") seem to be very similar in many language families.