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erinja (Mostra il profilo) 12 marzo 2010 19:07:32
I'm looking for some feedback on lernu's courses, and I'd like to speak with some people who learned Esperanto with this site - not necessarily to a fluent level, but who have spent enough time with lernu's courses to have the benefit of a little perspective ("I wish I'd done the courses in this order instead of that order", "I felt that topic [] could have been given more explanation in the courses", etc). A discussion here is fine, or else message me and we can correspond privately.
The creators of lernu did not learn Esperanto through this site, obviously. So there may be something that is clear to the site's users that isn't clear to us.
I'm looking for thoughts and feedback on the following questions:
- Which courses did you do at lernu!, and in what order?
- Do you wish you had done the courses in a different order than you did them, and if so, why?
- Did you use any offline resources to assist in your learning, and if so, what kind of "holes" did they fill, in terms of content you wish was available at lernu?
- Which courses did you find to be more effective? Which were less effective? Were there any courses that you felt you didn't learn much from?
- What suggestions do you have to offer, in terms of the quality of the tutoring you got at lernu (if you did a course that uses the lingvohelpantoj, such as Ana Pana or Ana Renkontas)?
For those of you who are wondering, I am frequently asked about a recommended order of courses. I do give some recommendations, but I learned before this site existed, and I am never sure of how good my suggestions are. In addition, a downloadable, free, all-in-one book on Esperanto is being written, and it will include courses from lernu. This discussion may influence the courses that are included in the book, and the way they are ordered in the book.
I'm looking forward to generating some useful discussion, so discuss away! I will be posting a similar message on the Esperanto forums of this site.
The creators of lernu did not learn Esperanto through this site, obviously. So there may be something that is clear to the site's users that isn't clear to us.
I'm looking for thoughts and feedback on the following questions:
- Which courses did you do at lernu!, and in what order?
- Do you wish you had done the courses in a different order than you did them, and if so, why?
- Did you use any offline resources to assist in your learning, and if so, what kind of "holes" did they fill, in terms of content you wish was available at lernu?
- Which courses did you find to be more effective? Which were less effective? Were there any courses that you felt you didn't learn much from?
- What suggestions do you have to offer, in terms of the quality of the tutoring you got at lernu (if you did a course that uses the lingvohelpantoj, such as Ana Pana or Ana Renkontas)?
For those of you who are wondering, I am frequently asked about a recommended order of courses. I do give some recommendations, but I learned before this site existed, and I am never sure of how good my suggestions are. In addition, a downloadable, free, all-in-one book on Esperanto is being written, and it will include courses from lernu. This discussion may influence the courses that are included in the book, and the way they are ordered in the book.
I'm looking forward to generating some useful discussion, so discuss away! I will be posting a similar message on the Esperanto forums of this site.
qwertz (Mostra il profilo) 12 marzo 2010 21:44:22
erinja:I did the Mi estas komencanto (english mp3 version) I like the kind of speaking of the male speaker. His voice sounds very motivating and forward-driven.
- Which courses did you do at lernu!, and in what order?
erinja:I prefer written teaching books (printout). I failed with Gerda Malaperis at lekziono 5. Currently I use "Esperanto direct" by Stano MARČEK (2nd ed. 2009). By now I made it to the middle of the book. This course comes with a mp3 version, too. So in the evening I use the printout and the next morning I hear the mp3 at the comuting way. So I think this course is my personal proper one.
- Did you use any offline resources to assist in your learning, and if so, what kind of "holes" did they fill, in terms of content you wish was available at lernu?
erinja:
- Which courses did you find to be more effective? Which were less effective? Were there any courses that you felt you didn't learn much from?
erinja:You lernu.net folks should be aware at that current ebook (e-ink no LCD) sucess by amazon and take care for snyced cross media publishing: pdf, epub, mp3 in the future.
- What suggestions do you have to offer, in terms of the quality of the tutoring you got at lernu (if you did a course that uses the lingvohelpantoj, such as Ana Pana or Ana Renkontas)?
trojo (Mostra il profilo) 12 marzo 2010 22:10:54
I guess my experience with Lernu could be considered a success, considering that the bulk of my Esperanto-learning came from here, and I am now fairly fluent (I passed the Level C exam back in 2008, and Levels A and B I passed in 2005). Since it's been years though, I may not remember every course I did.
The first Esperanto course I ever did was a 12(?) lesson email course (not on Lernu). After it was over, my tutor recommended I continue my studies at Lernu, which was how I found out about this site. I was still VERY much a beginner at this point, though I had the basics mostly down I think. I tried "Vojagxu kun Zam" first I think, though I didn't finish it, and I tried a few others, but the course that worked for me was "Bildoj kaj Demandoj". BkD is the only course on Lernu I've ever done completely from start to finish (and it's a pretty long course). To me it was the perfect bridge to get from beginner level to intermediate level.
At the intermediate level I remember I was mostly focused on conquering the Level B exam, which I wasn't quite ready for after BkD (I was however ready for the Level A exam after BkD). I followed the links under "required knowledge" on the examinations page which most often point to lessons from the Concise Grammar course and Grammar Questions, and that mostly guided my course of study. I also remember drilling hardcore on vocabulary doing that thing where you have a vocab list you can customize, and it will show you one word at a time in Esperanto and you type what it means in English in the text box, and then you reverse direction. I spent a ton of time doing that, but I don't recall now what course that was from. Maybe Zagreba Metodo?
After mastering the Level B exam, I didn't really take any more courses as such. I just read books (not textbooks, I mean stuff like "Fajron mi sentas interne"), listened to Esperanto music and sound-recordings, etc, as much for pleasure as for learning. A few years later I came back and did the Level C exam without really needing for formally study for it.
The offline resources I used the most (and still use) were Butler's Esperanto-English dictionary and an English-Esperanto dictionary by an author whose name I don't recall at the moment. (These are print dictionaries by the way, not online). I also made extensive use of ReVo once I found out about it. (At the time I was studying for Level B, Lernu's online dictionary wasn't nearly as complete as it is now.)
Don't know if any of that is what you are looking for.
The first Esperanto course I ever did was a 12(?) lesson email course (not on Lernu). After it was over, my tutor recommended I continue my studies at Lernu, which was how I found out about this site. I was still VERY much a beginner at this point, though I had the basics mostly down I think. I tried "Vojagxu kun Zam" first I think, though I didn't finish it, and I tried a few others, but the course that worked for me was "Bildoj kaj Demandoj". BkD is the only course on Lernu I've ever done completely from start to finish (and it's a pretty long course). To me it was the perfect bridge to get from beginner level to intermediate level.
At the intermediate level I remember I was mostly focused on conquering the Level B exam, which I wasn't quite ready for after BkD (I was however ready for the Level A exam after BkD). I followed the links under "required knowledge" on the examinations page which most often point to lessons from the Concise Grammar course and Grammar Questions, and that mostly guided my course of study. I also remember drilling hardcore on vocabulary doing that thing where you have a vocab list you can customize, and it will show you one word at a time in Esperanto and you type what it means in English in the text box, and then you reverse direction. I spent a ton of time doing that, but I don't recall now what course that was from. Maybe Zagreba Metodo?
After mastering the Level B exam, I didn't really take any more courses as such. I just read books (not textbooks, I mean stuff like "Fajron mi sentas interne"), listened to Esperanto music and sound-recordings, etc, as much for pleasure as for learning. A few years later I came back and did the Level C exam without really needing for formally study for it.
The offline resources I used the most (and still use) were Butler's Esperanto-English dictionary and an English-Esperanto dictionary by an author whose name I don't recall at the moment. (These are print dictionaries by the way, not online). I also made extensive use of ReVo once I found out about it. (At the time I was studying for Level B, Lernu's online dictionary wasn't nearly as complete as it is now.)
Don't know if any of that is what you are looking for.