I think Neo Patwa's more likely to succeed than Esperanto, because it has words from languages all around the word and becuase it has a small vocabulary. What do you think?

k1attack:I think Neo Patwa's more likely to succeed than Esperanto, because it has words from languages all around the word and becuase it has a small vocabulary. What do you think?

I think that the reasons you cite are not enough, otherwise any one of the many attempts since Esperanto would have usurped it.

I am not saying that another language might not do so, & it could be Neo Patwa for all I know.

I have been thinking a lot about why Esperanto is the most successful IAL. Personally I found it convincing as a language, beautiful even. I like it and wish I knew it better. It also has a proven track record.

I am sure wiser heads than mine can contribute more to this.

But don't forget that Esperanto was made in the century before last century, and that Neo Patwa is relatively new (compared to Esperanto). Even ceigered supports Neo Patwa.

I've been trying to learn minimalistic languages like Toki Pona, Bon Wen and Vuyamu and realised that I could learn the whole language in less than a week! Esperanto's got a lot of words compared to Toki Pona or Bon Wen, but I couldn't express myself easily in Toki Pona or Bon Wen, so I thought Esperanto was better. Toki Pona's not meant to be an IAL anyway. But I then stumbled upon Neo Patwa, a minimalistic-ish language that has a few words but you can add any words. You can say long words like "electrolysis" or "communication" in Neo Patwa (despite the fact that "communication" means to talk - Esperanto uses the word komunikado rather than paroli).

I would say to this language, what I say to all tries to kill Esperanto: nice try.

But in fact I seriously don't think that
this language would replace Esperanto, whatever it has for abilities
superiour to it.

Thousands of different IALs were made and atleast the same number of Esperanto improvements by people who think it has not tolerable errors in it. Really, this is boring.

People who see Esperanto and see that it actually works do something against it. Why? Do they not learn anything from history? Esperanto was multiple times attacked and it won those attacks everytime. Nobody knows really that all IALs which were made to replace that annoying IAL with the name Esperanto.

More than 100 years is in my opinion enough to test if an IAL is able to survive.
So if Neo Patwa is really really really
that cool, so that all people in the world
should learn it NOW. It won't happen
as all IALs have to battle for it's right
to survive, so that they have a democratic
reason to exist.

Also Neo Patwa doesn't have the bugfixes
of language specific bugs as Esperanto has underwent and by god it has alteast as much as Esperanto has.
Also no books, no music, no Neo Patwa associations and not any Neo Patwa related website. Which Esperanto has, as it was
out in the wild for more than a 100 years.

So no, I don't think that Neo Patwa will
ever get beyond the extreme IAL fanatics level.

Bashing Esperanto doesn't make any sense for me.

fantazo:I would say to this language, what I say to all tries to kill Esperanto: nice try.

But in fact I seriously don't think that
this language would replace Esperanto, whatever it has for abilities
superiour to it.

Thousands of different IALs were made and atleast the same number of Esperanto improvements by people who think it has not tolerable errors in it. Really, this is boring.

People who see Esperanto and see that it actually works do something against it. Why? Do they not learn anything from history? Esperanto was multiple times attacked and it won those attacks everytime. Nobody knows really that all IALs which were made to replace that annoying IAL with the name Esperanto
[......]
Bashing Esperanto doesn't make any sense for me.

Dude, it's not a freaking war - relax.
Esperanto was made to get rid of conflict, so don't turn it into some war machine (if people want to learn or make other conlangs, they can and should. Otherwise, we're just as close-minded as those who say Esperanto is bad and say that English is the only international language).

Indeed it's not a war. It's just a question
of getting pissed about something which I read in this forum atleast three times a month so too often.

On the other threads it's another people who
is argumenting against it, with people comming from two groups, one is the fina venko side and the second is the "you just piss me off" side. I'm from the second group.

I'm sorry for that. But why must it always be
like this that if someone found planned language X and X is cool, that this person compares X with Esperanto in the regard that X is probably better in abilities N.

That are my last words and I don't want to write anything further about this flawed topic, because as I said it just pisses me off heavily.

Sorry and have a nice day.

Yeah, I can't say I really care for the "this language is better than that language" debates. But it's obviously something that some people feel passionate about, or else it wouldn't come up so frequently.

I do think the Esperanto community is very tolerant of these kinds of debates. I can't really imagine going to a Spanish learning website and posting something like "I think French is way better, what do you think?"

Some people enjoy those discussions, some people don't. I don't, though it's easy to get sucked in when people start saying something that seems like an obvious error.

I think these threads are pretty easy to avoid based on the title, so I'd just do that if it annoys you. No one will ever convince anyone and the conversations of this nature will go on regardless.

k1attack:I think Neo Patwa's more likely to succeed than Esperanto, because it has words from languages all around the word and becuase it has a small vocabulary. What do you think?

How do you define "success" for an IAL? If by that you mean displacing English as the world's most popular "international language", then Neo Patwa is doomed to fail. A language without words for "airplane" or "helicopter" or "runway" can hardly become the international language of air-traffic control, nor can a language without terms for "cash register", "stock market", or "line of credit" ever become the international language of business.

All of these 100-word Toki Pona clones are not really good for anything more than saying hello, how you, day warm, life good, goodbye. If that's all that's required of an IAL, then there's frankly no reason for them. After all, one can just as easily learn 100 words of a natural language (including basic greetings, goodbyes, etc) as learn the 100 words of a language that contains only those 100 words.

trojo:

k1attack:I think Neo Patwa's more likely to succeed than Esperanto, because it has words from languages all around the word and becuase it has a small vocabulary. What do you think?

How do you define "success" for an IAL? If by that you mean displacing English as the world's most popular "international language", then Neo Patwa is doomed to fail. A language without words for "airplane" or "helicopter" or "runway" can hardly become the international language of air-traffic control, nor can a language without terms for "cash register", "stock market", or "line of credit" ever become the international language of business.

All of these 100-word Toki Pona clones are not really good for anything more than saying hello, how you, day warm, life good, goodbye. If that's all that's required of an IAL, then there's frankly no reason for them. After all, one can just as easily learn 100 words of a natural language (including basic greetings, goodbyes, etc) as learn the 100 words of a language that contains only those 100 words.

But you are free to add your own words in Neo Patwa.