Mesaĝoj: 24
Lingvo: English
k1attack (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 13:38:10
Aslan (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 14:11:52
k1attack (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 15:38:39
Aslan:I admire your determination but Zamenhof did this over 100 years ago and in my opinion a better investment of your time would be learning Esperanto. If it makes you happy then so be it, but I fail to see the merit in "reinventing the wheel".I created Dunja Wen because I wanted to. And I still like and know Esperanto.
k1attack (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 15:39:29
erinja (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 16:11:56
k1attack:Many people have "reinvented" the wheel e.g. Neo Patwa, Bon Wen etc.All of these languages seem to be the same small group of people, reinventing the wheel numerous times.
Of course it is anyone's right to reinvent the wheel as many times as they want to. However, I am still not really sure why you are posting this stuff here. Although topics do digress here, we normally start out on the topic of Esperanto, because this is an Esperanto forum, and not a generic constructed language forum.
I would hardly come to your Bon Wen discussion board and post repeatedly to talk about all of the latest updates in my new version of Esperanto. Is there really not a better place to take this discussion?
I suggest you take your discussions on this topic to UniLang, which already seems to have discussions on these sorts of topics, featuring the same people who have been discussing these things with you here.
ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 16:17:33
, I would like to just point out the fallacy of using "reinventing the wheel" as an argument, mostly for Aslan:Consider, for example, if I were to outfit a Formula One racing car with a 3-part wooden disc wheel from 3000BC, how well do you think that'd work? Terribly! The car's own power output would sand and burn the wood away on initial acceleration.
Furthermore, imagine if tanks had standard car wheels - imagine how slow they'd be! They'd be pointless in fact, and that's why we "reinvented the wheel" to make treads.
Imagine if those collosal mining trucks in Western Australia had C18th spoked wheels - they'd fall apart in seconds.
Now, I don't mind people arguing on Esperanto's behalf, but let's not be ignorant - just because the wheel was invented, doesn't mean we stop developing it or experimenting with it.
And the last problem - Esperanto was not the first conlang, and reinvented the wheel itself. And the first languages ever spoken by hominids were also invented. It's part of the human psyche to come up with new words for things they feel need new names.
And I was gonna say what Erinja said but she beat me (then again, it is her job). But yes, unilang is the best choice for this, or a personal forum - you could even make it one and call it "the lernu!ese fan club of conlangs" EDIT: Ĉu vi vere devis montri la nuran foruman temon tie ĉi kiu havas mesaĝon de mi?
Finalement: The history of the wheel
Miland (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 16:52:35
k1attack:What do you think of Dunja Wen?If you really wish to develop Dunja Wen further, I would suggest that, before publishing it, you test your creation as Zamenhof did, by translating a representative sample of current English into it. I suggest translating articles from a recent copy of the Reader's Digest. That will bring potential problems to your attention, and also guide you in writing your equivalent of Zamenhof's Unua Libro.
Radio~! (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 17:08:33
ceigered:Now, I don't mind people arguing on Esperanto's behalf, but let's not be ignorant - just because the wheel was invented, doesn't mean we stop developing it or experimenting with it.In fairness to Aslan, I think the post he made was completely reasonable and in no way ignorant; it could be argued that the person who started a thread with a two-line post telling us to visit an arbitrary website which has no relevance to Esperanto was less reasonable.
From a personal point of view, I 100% agree with Aslan that learning Esperanto is a better investment of time. That is to say, if your aim is to communicate with people all over the world and gain access to new cultures. If your aim is to play around with conlangs for the sake of playing around with conlangs, that's obviously different, but contrary to the impression I sometimes get from this forum, the vast majority of real Esperantists who I have met in real life have absolutely no interest in or enthusiasm for constructed languages.
In Britain, I would go so far as to say that our publicity strategy is to distance ourselves as firmly as possible from any perceived sci-fi or conlang 'geekiness' and try to emphasise the fact that Esperanto is a *living* language.
And for me that's the difference between Esperanto and any of your Toki Bona Neo Wens - Esperanto is more than a collection of symbols on a page, it has a community and a culture
I sometimes feel sad after visiting the Lernu forums and seeing how many people don't realise that yet
k1attack (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 18:54:28
Miland:Deal!k1attack:What do you think of Dunja WenIf you really wish to develop Dunja Wen further, I would suggest that, before publishing it, you test your creation as Zamenhof did, by translating a representative sample of current English into it. I suggest translating articles from a recent copy of the Reader's Digest. That will bring potential problems to your attention, and also guide you in writing your equivalent of Zamenhof's Unua Libro.
trojo (Montri la profilon) 2010-marto-26 21:27:14
k1attack:Visit dunjawen.wikispaces.com. What do you think of Dunja Wen?http://dunjawen.wikispaces.comOn the plus side, I'm glad you didn't go with the whole CV nonsense. CV is way overrated. On the other hand, this language has some real tongue-twisters: "ljang", "punkt". Yeah, Esperanto has "punkto", but "punkto" is easier to say since you can split the "nkt" between the two syllables ("punk-to" or "pun-kto", whichever is easier).
Also on a random side note, "Dunja Wen" for some reason reminds me of "doncha wanna", as in "Doncha wish ya gir'frien' was a freak like me".
But yes, do translate some sample texts. Genesis 11 (Tower of Babel) is a popular choice.