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k1attack (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 15:51:37
Do you think Esperanto's better than Toki Pona or any of its clones?
Ironchef (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 16:36:39
k1attack:Which IAL do you think is the best?This question always comes back to the issue of: what do you want to use a particular language for? Although there are many IALs, Esperanto is the only one which is well-known, and as this site proves, well-used.
Do you think Esperanto's better than Toki Pona or any of its clones?
All IALs were created by someone with a vision for the world, whether like Zamenhof, it was born out of the frustration of living where there are too many "natural" languages, or the idea that a neutral language clears the mind and allows more direct thought.
Esperanto is not *better* than Toki Pona, it's simple more expressive and more developed and better supported for its role as global communication tool and that's what it was designed for. Teaching a common language to a group of multi-lingual toddlers so they can all play together might be a job for Toki Pona (or something else).
It comes down to the right tool for the job.
qwertz (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 16:47:22
gyrus (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 17:10:31
erinja (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 17:31:13
gyrus:Since when is Toki Pona an IAL?I agree, I think that Toki Pona is not an IAL. I would classify it as an art language, myself. Esperanto was designed to be used for communication in all aspects of life - technical communication, tourism, home life, Esperanto can do it all. Toki Pona is much more limited; it's more of a thought experiment in how to simplify your ideas. It was never intended to publish scientific papers in Toki Pona, and Toki Pona doesn't really have the vocabulary to do it, even if you wanted to. I think that even the creator of Toki Pona would agree with this (I have known her casually -- we're hardly best friends or anything -- for some years, since before she even created Toki Pona).
For the record, k1attack, I am not sure what you're looking for, but whatever it is, you won't find it here. You seem to post a lot of messages asking people to express their opinions on which language is "better" than another. The general consensus on these forums is that all of these languages have merit, in their individual fields. It's a false comparison to ask people to declare one language "better" than another.
Maybe you are trying to decide which language(s) to spend your time on, but I think that you need to look inside yourself to find the answer to that question. Asking a forum full of people which language is "better" is not effective, and you will never get them to agree on an answer (or even to agree that there *is* an answer)
jan aleksan (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 17:38:09
As my fellow responders clearly suggested, the word "best" have to be much better defined in your question, because it can be interpreted in completely different ways (simpliness, internationality, efficiency, beauty, logic and so on)
Donniedillon (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 18:29:39
erinja:Asking a forum full of people which language is "better" is not effective, and you will never get them to agree on an answer (or even to agree that there *is* an answer)+1
qwertz (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 18:50:00
k1attack:Which IAL do you think is the best?I'm not sure completly but I believe I understand your internal restlessness to create or search for the perfect IAL. But, the big con-lang Esperanto boat is still swimming even if casually some water waves slosing above the open deck railing into the boat and has removed of from the samideanojn instantly. So why one of this boat people should concern jumping to another IAL boat which has left not seeable(?) on land behind the horizont? If you feel that you are still on way and are busy removing the water of the boat to avoid sinking? (Hopefully that doesn't sound arrogant. It's not my intention to paint the Esperanto crew snotty to other IAL's.) There is a enough space for other IAL's to swim. If everybody of the IAL folks take care each other means "keeping at same sea level" (not better or more worse than each other) then there is no reason to "battle" each other or step over some IAL else.
Do you think Esperanto's better than Toki Pona or any of its clones?
darkweasel (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 18:56:29
Donniedillon:+1erinja:Asking a forum full of people which language is "better" is not effective, and you will never get them to agree on an answer (or even to agree that there *is* an answer)+1
Please don't start talking about uninteresting 100-word planned languages again. Find another forum if you want to, but I think most of the readers of an Esperanto learning site don't care about them. Personally, I hate my RSS reader being spammed by these messages.
Sorry if this seemed a bit rude.
Miland (Montri la profilon) 2010-majo-03 19:27:42
k1attack:Which IAL do you think is the best? Do you think Esperanto's better than Toki Pona or any of its clones?A better question would be 'Why should one think that Esperanto is better than its rivals?', since we wouldn't stay Esperantists if we thought that some other IAL were better.
Now this question has been answered. You will find an excellent account in the internet book of the late great Don Harlow. I hope that helps.