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Using La Sankta Biblio to learn Esperanto

Starkman,2010年5月11日の

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bdlingle (プロフィールを表示) 2015年8月23日 21:27:25

I think it is a cool idea to use the Word of God to learn Esperanto. I would really love to read and study it in Esperanto someday. One thing I found from one translation is that in Exodus 20:10 when talking about the Sabbath, it says sed la sepa tago estas sabato de la Eternulo, which means "but the seventh day is (a) sabbath of the Lord", but it should say "la sepa tago estas la sabato de la Eternulo, because the Bible clear should say that it is "the" sabbath and not a Sabbath, which makes it sound like nothing special. Is it that way in other versions? Remember my friends, don't just read the Word, but study it too!

orthohawk1 (プロフィールを表示) 2015年8月23日 22:12:29

bdlingle:I think it is a cool idea to use the Word of God to learn Esperanto. I would really love to read and study it in Esperanto someday. One thing I found from one translation is that in Exodus 20:10 when talking about the Sabbath, it says sed la sepa tago estas sabato de la Eternulo, which means "but the seventh day is (a) sabbath of the Lord", but it should say "la sepa tago estas la sabato de la Eternulo, because the Bible clear should say that it is "the" sabbath and not a Sabbath, which makes it sound like nothing special. Is it that way in other versions? Remember my friends, don't just read the Word, but study it too!
Well, Zamenhof was Jewish and he did speak Hebrew, so I'd guess he would know how to translate that verse.

bdlingle (プロフィールを表示) 2015年8月23日 22:26:05

orthohawk1: Well, Zamenhof was Jewish and he did speak Hebrew, so I'd guess he would know how to translate that verse.
I know he was Jewish. I just thought it was weird how it said a Sabbath in this verse and in another it says the Sabbath.

Sfinkso (プロフィールを表示) 2015年8月23日 22:35:29

bdlingle:I think it is a cool idea to use the Word of God to learn Esperanto. I would really love to read and study it in Esperanto someday. One thing I found from one translation is that in Exodus 20:10 when talking about the Sabbath, it says sed la sepa tago estas sabato de la Eternulo, which means "but the seventh day is (a) sabbath of the Lord", but it should say "la sepa tago estas la sabato de la Eternulo, because the Bible clear should say that it is "the" sabbath and not a Sabbath, which makes it sound like nothing special. Is it that way in other versions? Remember my friends, don't just read the Word, but study it too!
The Hebrew does not have the article. Remember, you must read the text as it is, not try and read your theology back into it. There are great tools to help you on line (like the biblehub I link to above).

erinja (プロフィールを表示) 2015年8月24日 14:40:52

Hebrew has a definite article but no indefinite article. In this particular verse being discussed, there is no article, so it says "a sabbath".

A sabbath in Hebrew is a day or period of rest, not only referring to the 7th day. Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are both referred to as sabbaths in the original text, and Yom Kippur is often referred to as a "sabbath of sabbaths". Each seventh year is also a sabbath year for the land in the Hebrew bible, in which the land is not cultivated. We think of it as being the seventh day because of course this is the most frequent sabbath, the one that we talk about the most, but it doesn't mean it's the only sabbath.

In modern Hebrew, the same root is used to describe a strike. Putting down tools and resting, right?

bdlingle (プロフィールを表示) 2015年8月25日 1:37:35

Thanks for the explanation! I was just talking the Sabbath that matters to Adventists, but thanks for that info some of it I did not know ridulo.gif

Sfinkso (プロフィールを表示) 2015年8月25日 9:59:54

Re the Esperanto translation of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), it is easy to get so wrapped up in the fact it is a much valued religious text and lose sight of its other value; it is a large body of work translated by the founder of Esperanto himself.

Objectivesea (プロフィールを表示) 2020年12月22日 19:40:23

I'm coming into this thread rather late, but I'd like to say that I have been quite impressed with erinja's very diplomatic and thoroughly non-dogmatic restraint in this forum. My wife is a convert to Judaism and would be very interested in the esperantigita Passover Haggadah that erinja has referred to herein. I have done a lot of proofreading of texts for Distributed Proofreaders, and I believe that I could also help with the proofreading of that Haggadah translation, if some of that task still remains to be done after all these years. שָׁלוֹם

Nephihaha (プロフィールを表示) 2020年12月24日 23:09:52

This is a good thread, makes a change for people to be discussing this subject in a civilised manner.

I think it almost goes without saying some parts of the Bible are worth dipping into more than others. I won't head straight for Leviticus for example or the more legalistic parts of the Epistles. I also find Mark easier to read than Luke. I've noticed this is the case in other language. Luke's opening chapters seem to use complex language and when I tried to read it in more poor Esperanto I just kept going for the dictionary.

Nephihaha (プロフィールを表示) 2020年12月24日 23:09:54

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