Ok so this is my second post, and I forgot to mention this in my last post but can anyone explain the accusative form when it comes to longer sentences? I suppose I have trouble finding the direct object when I use longer sentences, and I get corrected on this all the time.

For example I understand "I love you" would be "mi amas vin" because "you" is the direct object and is receiving action. But what if I say something like "Mi bezonas la Ŝlosilo(n?) por eniri mia(n?) domo(n?)" is this correct to add the accusative for key and my house? because it seems that they both are direct objects. Please tell me if I'm mistaking, because for some reason I have a lot of trouble with accusative cases, maybe because English lacks them? I'm not sure.

Thank you

"Mi bezonas la ŝlosilon por eniri mian domon"

You are fine~

Essentially,
(1) direct object of a verb is A
(2) noun after preposition isn't A (*)
(3) adjective describing what is A is A
(4) adverb showing motion is A

(*) unless it's showing motion.

LyzTyphone:"Mi bezonas la ŝlosilon por eniri mian domon"

You are fine~

Essentially,
(1) direct object of a verb is A
(2) noun after preposition isn't A (*)
(3) adjective describing what is A is A
(4) adverb showing motion is A

(*) unless it's showing motion.

Thank you so much for the clarification I don't understand why it's so hard for me lol But the way you described does put it into a very good perspective. Thank you

When should I use the -n ending?

Just when I thought I was finally understanding the accusatives, I found the above on this site.

I guess I need more study!

angel32163:When should I use the -n ending?

Just when I thought I was finally understanding the accusatives, I found the above on this site.

I guess I need more study!

Oh wow thanks for posting this link, this explains everything in great detail. The accusative is such a pain I swear lol.

rjwcim:

angel32163:When should I use the -n ending?

Just when I thought I was finally understanding the accusatives, I found the above on this site.

I guess I need more study!

Oh wow thanks for posting this link, this explains everything in great detail. The accusative is such a pain I swear lol.

Hhm, hopefully "olle"* Z. not borrowed that accusative thing from German. (Sorry about ) At school often somebody learns the German accusative with checking a sentences this way:

(*"olle", DE-BE (Berlin) stale in positive respectfull sense and not married, of course)

Das Akkusativobjekt antwortet auf die Frage „wen oder was?“ = The accusative object answers to the question: "Who/whom or what?" (... you or something suffer/s of ... ?).

So, making some accusative excercises with an english sentence:

"The accusative is such a pain I swear lol."

Firstly, we need to find out who or what suffers of somebody/something. Because no person makes some pain to him "Who/whom" doesn't work for this. So s/he seems to be a victim of - lets take a look - something. So for this sentence somebody has to use the "What" because received pain isn't a person by its nature.

So, what is (making) such a pain (to her/him)?

The (bl###y) accusative-n.

In result: "The accusative-n is such a pain I swear lol."

Could somebody confirm that rule of thumb? (Especially the English translations)

Hhm, sometimes this akkusative would be quite usefull to understand difficult English sentences because using commata (,) seems to be not common in some fields. So quite often somebody reclaims about German boxed (= distincted with (,)) "Schachtelsätze". Yes sure, but 3 line English sentences without any "," or accusative are even better understandble. Quite popular inside English high-brown study books.

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkusativ

Er (the accusative) markiert in vielen Sprachen (z. B. im Deutschen und Lateinischen) typischerweise die semantische Rolle, die nicht aktiv handelt (= Patiens; vgl. direktes Objekt). Er wird auch als sogenannter Wenfall bezeichnet, da man nach dem Akkusativ mit „Wen …?“ (bzw. „Was …?“) fragt.

Typically in many languages the accusative marks the semantic role which is is not active. The accusative also is named the gramatical "Who/whom"- case, due to that somebody can ask for the accusative with "Who/whom" or rather "what".

Poooh, no German only thing.

qwertz:"The accusative is such a pain I swear lol."

So, what is (making) such a pain (to her/him)?

The (bl###y) accusative-n.

In result: "The accusative-n is such a pain I swear lol."

No. "The accusative" is the subject. In "accusative is making a pain", the pain is made and thus it has to be "accusative is making pain-on" (akusativo faras doloron).

In "accusative is a pain", you find the verb "be", which is symmetric and does not have any direkt object. So, in this case you have "accusative is a pain" without any accusative at all (akusativo estas doloro).

The original phrase was:

rjwcim:The accusative is such a pain I swear lol.

Taking a second view at this: "I swear" seems to be like the ", isn't?" or the German ", stimmt's?" It's just to motivate giving a answer to a previous statement.

So if I would remove the "I swear" and let left:

rjwcim:The accusative is such a pain.

Then of course I don't need the accusative.

"In my opinion the accusative caused a lot of pain."

Hhm, hhm. Probably is not such easy to bring a foreign grammar concept into another language. My post above also was to explain it to myself. But I'm not completly sure, but the accusative everytime seems to "suffers of something/sombody" (victim role). If there's no victim somebody doesn't need to mark a victim (=accusative). Is that right?

Hhm. I have to check again where I took the wrong way(?).

Would be nice to expand the regarding entry at the english wikipedia. Especially a facila thumb rule.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusative_case

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusative_case#The_accusative_case_in_Esperanto

qwertz:

So, what is (making) such a pain (to her/him)?

The (bl###y) accusative-n.

In result: "The accusative-n is such a pain I swear lol."

Try translating this sentence into your native German. Would you say "den Akkusativ ist..."? I hope not. You would probably say "der Akkusativ ist...", which is nominative.

Andybolg:

qwertz:

So, what is (making) such a pain (to her/him)?

The (bl###y) accusative-n.

In result: "The accusative-n is such a pain I swear lol."

Try translating this sentence into your native German. Would you say "den Akkusativ ist..."? I hope not. You would probably say "der Akkusativ ist...", which is nominative.

Yes, I say it this way native: "Der Akkusativ ist so ein Schmerz. Ich schwör's dir!" But splitted up into two sentences. (For me, it's more a somewhat unproper word-by-word translation. I wouldn't use it this way in daily life quite often. Especially that "I swear/ Ich schwöre". I say what I say and doesn't have to swear that it's honestly meant by me what I said. Of course I could get another view at matters later. Daily life experiences enforces further development means opinion check. Furthermore I have no religion. So, swearing doesn't have any important meaning to me.)

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominativ
"... Im Satz steht das Subjekt im Deutschen immer im Nominativ..." In German the subject always is set to be a nominative.

I believe I was confused by this ", I swear" at the end. English isn't my native language.

Pooh, quite tricky that linguistic stuff. I never dreamed of being attacked by that accusative topic again.