There were times that I've wondered on a Japanese forum how would Japanese be if it only had Chinese reading but still stayed without intonation? It's just a simple question I don't know why people are so defensive. I don't care about Changing Esperanto (or Japanese) because honestly, I wouldn't have the energy to do it. If you don't like the topic, don't answer instead of complaining and slowly going off topic.

ceigered, It was very interesting what you said about just using roots.

It sort of reminds me of German:

mi viv en la planed ter

I can even imagine a German word formation:

Wasserstoff ["waterstuff" = Hydrogen]
akvsubstanc

Although, it would make words even more difficult to pronounce.

Or imagine if Esperanto was Semitic:

m vv n l plnd tr

Or even worse, if it were a language that was Semitic AND didn't use spaces.

mvvnlplndtr

that would be something. I wonder if looking at:

m vv n l plnd tr

can anyone tell what I was trying to say?

esperanto is a language with native speakers, so i think you can´t change it anyway...

but if i could, i whould maybe say "un" instead of "mal", everything else is fine.

Radio~!:

ceigered:It's likely though someone would go and ask "what would X language be like if X didn't happened/happened?" (e.g. if the normans never came to britannia, what would happen if Gothic never died out, what would French look like if the Romans never imposed Latin on Gallia, etc).

Do you *genuinely* think that is likely? I have to confess that in most other language forums I have been on, people are more focussed on learning and practising the languages than that sort of theoretical question. I wouldn't think that most people would ask those kind of things about a "real" language.

Whether I genuinely think it or not is irrelevant, I just don't see any point in biting at what could be a possible bait. Even if it were bait, biting back doesn't really help since Arpee knows everyone elses postions. Treating the question literally ensures both that we don't end up in troll-anti-troll limbo, and that the person becomes more familiar and integrated with the community here due to an avoidance of any underlying issues in any of our motives.

sudanglo:You are quite right Radio. People wouldn't discuss on a French language learning Forum alternative versions of the language. They would know that they are on hiding to nothing.

serious? I've seen a ::::load of alternate history projects etc exploring what the world, a language, or both would be like without certain influences or happenings. I believe there's one conlang exploring the notion of a Latinate language had neither the Anglo-Saxons nor Normans said hello to the isles (think Welsh+Latin+French), and there's also one for if Polish was displaced by Latin spoken by missionaries etc et al (it reminded me of Romantsch but with primarily Slavic elements). One chap who was here not long ago created a conlang called sambahsa or something similar (I'm too tired ) which was intended to be a "modernly evolved" IE language using IE as a strong substratum rather than the unique developments from the main IE daughter families.

Anyway, point being that alternative constructed histories (altconhistories) are somewhat actually present on the web, with ties to conlanging and the scifi scene (including Steam Punk, mentioned on another thread here)

Anyway, tl;dr: I like wondering what the world or a language would be like if its history was different, it's a good way to practice problem solving in regards to consequences, so I'd quite selfishly like this to not turn into a defensive 10p thread that effectively says "stop trying to change Esperanto" so I can see what others think about the actual, proper question.

Cheers, sorry for my extensive rant.

Arpee:There were times that I've wondered on a Japanese forum how would Japanese be if it only had Chinese reading but still stayed without intonation?

I've had the same thoughts, e.g. Of a sort of "Nippono-Chinese". (Also, the thought of Japanese sans Chinese roots is equally interesting, and sans Chinese derived writing system as well.)

It sort of reminds me of German:

mi viv en la planed ter

I can even imagine a German word formation:

Wasserstoff ["waterstuff" = Hydrogen]
akvsubstanc

You may like to look up the Anglish Moot, a wikia site. Think of a site dedicated to making up Anglic equivalents to German compound words. Just be careful to avoid catching any impulses to don the leathers and steel plates.
In fact, there's a book written in said Anglish describing atomics or something which mentions waterstuff...

Another question ceigered, what website did you go to in order to find these alternate languages? They really interest me.

If I were the designer of Esperanto, I would be L.L Zamenhof, so of course I would do exactly what he did. Simple, eh?

Miland:If I were the designer of Esperanto, I would be L.L Zamenhof, so of course I would do exactly what he did. Simple, eh?

Jes! Arpee, you really must understand the number of trolls on this site recently. Then you show up, and expect us to not treat you like a troll?
Try giving the English forum a rest. From now on, let's have this discussion in Esperanto. You have no excuse. Online translators work very well.
I would never talk science with a non-scientist. Why not apply this rule to people who question Esperanto?

philodice:

Miland:If I were the designer of Esperanto, I would be L.L Zamenhof, so of course I would do exactly what he did. Simple, eh?

Jes! Arpee, you really must understand the number of trolls on this site recently. Then you show up, and expect us to not treat you like a troll?
Try giving the English forum a rest. From now on, let's have this discussion in Esperanto. You have no excuse. Online translators work very well.
I would never talk science with a non-scientist. Why not apply this rule to people who question Esperanto?

That's sad that you wouldn't talk science with a non-scientist. So if you weren't born a scientist you have no hope in learning

I don't see why I can't continue talking in English since this is well... the English section.

I did indeed type a question in the Esperanto section when I got bored of typing in English but even if I didn't it wouldn't matter because this is the English section and this is what this forum is for "This is a place for discussing various topics in English."

philodice:Jes! Arpee, you really must understand the number of trolls on this site recently. Then you show up, and expect us to not treat you like a troll?

I, for one, am perfectly willing to give Arpee the benefit of the doubt, and assume that his recent post was not, in fact, an attack on Esperanto, but (perhaps) simply his way of asking for help without actually asking for help.

If that was indeed his motivation, then I'm quite willing to apologize for calling HIM a troll (however, the post itself I still consider to be troll-like in form; how things are said is often very important in regard to how those things are perceived).

Unfortunately, there HAVE been quite a number of real trolls on the board recently, and Arpee's mode of expression in that post (i.e., making a list of perceived "faults" and simply dumping them on us) triggered the "Troll Response"; at least in myself.

So, Arpee, if you really were simply having difficulties with certain aspects of Esperanto, were just listing those difficulties, and not actually attacking Esperanto, then please accept my apologies for coming on a bit strong.

As far as this thread goes, I personally don't have a problem with purely theoretical discussions of "what might have been".

ceigered:

Radio~!:I really don't understand the point of threads like this.

Would you go to a French/German/Spanish language forum and tell them what you think ought to be changed in their languages?

It's likely though someone would go and ask "what would X language be like if X didn't happened/happened?" (e.g. if the normans never came to britannia, what would happen if Gothic never died out, what would French look like if the Romans never imposed Latin on Gallia, etc).

There's a very interesting thought experiment out there called "Brithenig" to create a Romance language that might have evolved if Latin had displaced the native Celtic language as the spoken language of the people in Great Britain, plus they were able to keep the Anglo-Saxons and Danes at bay .