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de sudanglo, 7 d’octubre de 2010

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Miland (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 11.17.37

suganglo:Nobody seems to have commented .. the order of popularity of the various languages..
Apart from English, the next two (Spanish and Portuguese) may be a sign of the novelty value of Esperanto in those cultures which did not have much exposure to it in the past - because of fascism in Spain and Portugal (which historically opposed Esperanto). Therefore the figures may be a good sign of its potential for growth in Iberia.

Evildela (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 11.35.26

Miland:...fascism in Spain and Portugal...
Actually the Portugal language use is most likely linked through Brazil which has a massive Esperanto movement attached to its spiritualist movement, every second Esperantist I've spoken to is from Brazil lol

Miland (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 12.33.10

That's a good point about Brazil, though what I said about Spanish may still hold (unless someone informs me that a majority of the Spanish-speaking Esperantists come from the Americas).

erinja (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 14.08.33

The list seems pretty normal to me. Spanish is a huge language worldwide. Many people also speak it as a second language, so some people might choose to do the course in Spanish if their language isn't represented on the site. Portuguese is of course no surprise, Brazil has a ton of Esperantists, as people have already mentioned.

I'm a teeny bit surprised that Russian has more users than German, but of course Russia is a huge country.
Lernu may not have the necessary money, but perhaps we could start up some type of donation system for language translations.
We always welcome people to donate to lernu. If someone writes to request something in particular, and if that feature isn't on our list of things to do, we usually invite them to make a donation to pay for it. Therefore I don't see a reason why someone couldn't donate to lernu through the usual channels, with the stipulation that their translation be used to translate the site into a certain language. But it would require a large donation, and most donations to lernu are in the EUR 10-50 range.

Miland (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 14.53.10

erinja:Spanish is a huge language worldwide. Many people also speak it as a second language..
It's a big second language in the US, of course, and I imagine also the former Spanish colonies in Africa - Western Sahara, and the North coast of Morocco. Can you name any others?

Uvi (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 15.02.58

Miland:
erinja:Spanish is a huge language worldwide. Many people also speak it as a second language..
It's a big second language in the US, of course, and I imagine also the former Spanish colonies in Africa - Western Sahara, and the North coast of Morocco. Can you name any others?
Yes, the Philippines. okulumo.gif

erinja (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 15.09.33

Spanish is the second- or third-most widely spoken language worldwide (depending on which source you believe, Spanish and English have similar numbers), so it's not a surprise to me that it's high on the list at lernu. Whether the speakers come from Spain or South America, I don't really know. I've encountered a good number of speakers from Spain and South America both. There's a large community of expat speakers of Spanish who might prefer to learn Esperanto in Spanish. I've met more than a few Brits who have learned Spanish (at least to a degree), and I'm sure it helps them on their frequent holidays in Spain.

Uvi (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 15.11.16

sudanglo:Nobody seems to have commented yet on what I found surprising in the order of popularity of the various languages used to view the pages at Lernu.

The order doesn't seem to be in direct correspondence to the number of native speakers for the various languages.
I agree with Erinja on this one. Although I don't know much of Portuguese's notoriety globally, I do know that its speaker base in Latin America is far from negligible.

However, Spanish's presence in the top 3 is, in my opinion, in direct relation to the number of native speakers: Spanish comes side-by-side with English when it comes to its 330 million-ish native speakers worldwide. Also, some documentation indicates numbers pointing to it being one of the world's most studied foreign languages. A bit of trivia about Spanish: http://spanish.about.com/od/historyofspanish/a/10_...

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ceigered (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 15.15.25

Uvi:
Miland:
erinja:Spanish is a huge language worldwide. Many people also speak it as a second language..
It's a big second language in the US, of course, and I imagine also the former Spanish colonies in Africa - Western Sahara, and the North coast of Morocco. Can you name any others?
Yes, the Philippines. okulumo.gif
It's gaining status in Europe and Australia too I believe (not to the extent of the US and ex-colonies though, of course!) - at least, after seeing what the situation is like at my university, where almost everyone doing a language learns either Spanish or French rather than any other language. We don't even have chinese here (well, that's because of inter-university partnership programs etc, so Adelaide Uni does them instead).

These two links show the amount of learning across the globe, and the amount of use in Europe.
- Spanish learning Wordwide
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Conocimiento_de_español_en_la_U.E..PNG]- Spanish speaking in Europe (Hispane)[/url]

And here's a similar map for the US:
- Spanish spoken in the US, blue = 50% and grey = 0% (should be ~10% increments from what I can see)

I believe, from what I read on Wikipedia about the US and Spanish, that the US is infact the second biggest Spanish community, even more so than Spain. Now, before someone goes on the stulta "GO BACK HOME MEXICANS!" tangent, that Spanish linguistic behemoth in the US I believe is very closely related to the historical colonialism by Spain, so it shouldn't be a surprise. But funnily enough, it is in a way. When we think about big Spanish countries, big English countries, people say "Spain! Mexico!" and "England! Scotland!" - but America is really up the top for both categories lango.gif.

Australia has a similar oddity in that there are more Irish descended people in Australia than Ireland, but this is even more so the case in the US once again. I guess that's what happens when you have a population of 200 something million okulumo.gif

Miland (Mostra el perfil) 8 d’octubre de 2010 15.31.46

Uvi:
Miland:
erinja:Spanish is a huge language worldwide. Many people also speak it as a second language..
It's a big second language in the US, of course, and I imagine also the former Spanish colonies in Africa - Western Sahara, and the North coast of Morocco. Can you name any others?
Yes, the Philippines. okulumo.gif
Good example! My question was where it would be strong as a second language. "South America" is only partly true because many countries there have Spanish as a first language.

@ceigered: the relevant African countries in that map seem to be the Ivory Coast, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea.

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