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some E-o blaming at TV: The Colbert Report

Intro - 01/22/09 Video 1

"...The world reacts to President Obama and Stephen yells back in Esperanto. (00:32)..."

The Word - English Video 2

Yes I know that kind of shows with laughing box background music. I.e. Harald Schmidt (German late night talksmaster) Harald estas la plej malfiulo/mojosulo. *grrr* (But someones has to be German native speaker to get it completely.)

Do you also know some other examples?

ĝipsy poste,

I think you might have misunderstood the satire on the Colbert Report. I didn't think it was saying anything offensive about Esperanto. And that whole show is a parody (for those non-native speakers of English who might not have caught on). The "joke" is that the host says ridiculous things and pretends to believe them; but the show is really mocking the people who believe those things.

erinja:I think you might have misunderstood the satire on the Colbert Report. I didn't think it was saying anything offensive about Esperanto. And that whole show is a parody (for those non-native speakers of English who might not have caught on). The "joke" is that the host says ridiculous things and pretends to believe them; but the show is really mocking the people who believe those things.

Hhm, there are people out who really believe those things? But that show motivates me to browse Harald Schmidt shows to find out what kind of satire he makes about German minorities (the biggest one is the Turkish one) or if he excludes that. I believe he excludes minority satire jokes. So, Turkish satire will created by Kaya Yanar who has a Turkish-cultural background. Seems to be a quiet agreement in Germany that satire only made by someone who has some cultural background from the regarding minority. Because the fine-tunes can be quite difficult. But that has historical reasons (progroms, i.e. Reichskristallnacht).

qwertz:Hhm, there are people out who really believe those things?

Sadly, yes. A certain unfortunately loud cross-section of America seem to have lost their critical thinking skills during the last few years, and Colbert has built a career on making fun of them by pretending to be one of them.

RiotNrrd:

qwertz:Hhm, there are people out who really believe those things?

Sadly, yes. A certain unfortunately loud cross-section of America seem to have lost their critical thinking skills during the last few years, and Colbert has built a career on making fun of them by pretending to be one of them.

How could that happened?

qwertz:

RiotNrrd:

qwertz:Hhm, there are people out who really believe those things?

Sadly, yes. A certain unfortunately loud cross-section of America seem to have lost their critical thinking skills during the last few years, and Colbert has built a career on making fun of them by pretending to be one of them.

How could that happened?

Probably children getting a bad education, that's what it feels like down here. The gaps in their parents' understanding, the gaps in their teachers' understanding, it all adds up to a giant gap of understanding for the children. I don't know about the US, but here in Australia, while there are plenty of brilliant teachers, and well meaning ones, there are also quite a few silly ones, which isn't quite so crazy of a progression when you take into account how much they don't teach teachers at universities.

So in the end it's the universities' fault .

ceigered:
Probably children getting a bad education, that's what it feels like down here. The gaps in their parents' understanding, the gaps in their teachers' understanding, it all adds up to a giant gap of understanding for the children.

Hhm, a friend who's a professional teacher told me that she has to spend much of their efforts to hold the control of a class to establish a learning ambience then teaching the stuff by itselves. Seems to be that the current economic situation takes lot's of energy of the parents to take care of their job than educate their children how to find their way around which also includes accepting of education authoritives like teachers. Living and developing owns individualism is fine but someone also have to take care of others.

ceigered:

qwertz:

RiotNrrd:

qwertz:Hhm, there are people out who really believe those things?

Sadly, yes. A certain unfortunately loud cross-section of America seem to have lost their critical thinking skills during the last few years, and Colbert has built a career on making fun of them by pretending to be one of them.

How could that happened?

Probably children getting a bad education, that's what it feels like down here. The gaps in their parents' understanding, the gaps in their teachers' understanding, it all adds up to a giant gap of understanding for the children. I don't know about the US, but here in Australia, while there are plenty of brilliant teachers, and well meaning ones, there are also quite a few silly ones, which isn't quite so crazy of a progression when you take into account how much they don't teach teachers at universities.

So in the end it's the universities' fault .

Ha! The moment you try to introduce critical thinking into Australian school curricula you'd have half the population complaining that it's a left-wing conspiracy to brainwash their offspring into questioning authority. Look at the resistance to the ethics programs offered in NSW recently. An ethical, educated, questioning population? Bah, communism!

Alciona:

Ha! The moment you try to introduce critical thinking into Australian school curricula you'd have half the population complaining that it's a left-wing conspiracy to brainwash their offspring into questioning authority. Look at the resistance to the ethics programs offered in NSW recently. An ethical, educated, questioning population? Bah, communism!

Haha and as soon as that happens you know it's going to evolve into a mud slinging contest between Labor/Liberal supporters! If Labor did it, they'd be called communists (and if Rudd was still in you'd probably hear one or two "trying to be like China" comments), and if the Liberals did it, the universe would simply collapse on itself they'd be blamed for taking away focus from more important topics, such as global warming*. All of which probably doesn't set a good example for the country and so on and so forth until you end up with a big cycle .

@ Qwertz:

Great point! The economy probably has a lot to do with things too, since it is admittedly a dog-eat-dog world out there, and it wouldn't surprise me if children don't learn when the appropriate time for that sort of behaviour is... Well, I certainly haven't!

*For those not associated with the Australian education system in any way, climate change studies in schools are more or less "nuclear power is bad because they explode like nuclear bombs and release toxic waste (no comment whatsoever on fission/fusion power benefits/issues), and because wind power/solar power etc wasn't involved in chernobyl we'll just say it's good without really investigating".

For fairness, wind power is pretty straightforward, but there's just as much to solar power as there is to nuclear power to be researched and looked into .

Alciona:
Ha! The moment you try to introduce critical thinking into Australian school curricula you'd have half the population complaining that it's a left-wing conspiracy to brainwash their offspring into questioning authority. Look at the resistance to the ethics programs offered in NSW recently. An ethical, educated, questioning population? Bah, communism!

Ha, ha, communism! Does there excist Volkseigenes Gut in Australia? *grrr* As an former DDR citizen I can tell you that this idea doesn't work economically. I don't wanna drive the car of my neighbour. It's unpolite, you know? But it also had positive things. for excample 1:00min (nobody would had do that at this time with a car someones has to wait 15 years.) Ha, ha! *grrr*

ceigered:
@ Qwertz:

Great point! The economy probably has a lot to do with things too, since it is admittedly a dog-eat-dog world out there, and it wouldn't surprise me if children don't learn when the appropriate time for that sort of behaviour is... Well, I certainly haven't!

Ha, I didn't know that Dog Eat Dog is a common English expression. Just know the music band.

ceigered:
*For those not associated with the Australian education system in any way, climate change studies in schools are more or less "nuclear power is bad because they explode like nuclear bombs and release toxic waste (no comment whatsoever on fission/fusion power benefits/issues), and because wind power/solar power etc wasn't involved in chernobyl we'll just say it's good without really investigating".

Windpower plants are annoying because Western-Europe is very crowded. So, I really would't wanna have a windmill just in front of my house. But sea offshore should be a good solution for that beautiful and silent constructions. vutŝ, vutŝ ....