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Number of Esperanto Speakers

fra Evildela,2010 11 25

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Evildela (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 25 09:53:51

Someone created this pension / count to find out numbers of Esperanto speakers - well I signed it and I think everyone else should to, please pass it along ridulo.gif

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/esperanto-parolan...

ceigered (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 25 10:48:36

Evildela:Someone created this pension / count to find out numbers of Esperanto speakers - well I signed it and I think everyone else should to, please pass it along ridulo.gif

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/esperanto-parolan...
Mi estas la 429a okulumo.gif

Evildela (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 25 11:03:08

ceigered:Mi estas la 429a okulumo.gif
Bone! Mi estas la 427a =P

ceigered (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 25 11:27:52

white knight:
ceigered:
Evildela:Someone created this pension / count to find out numbers of Esperanto speakers - well I signed it and I think everyone else should to, please pass it along ridulo.gif

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/esperanto-parolan...
Mi estas la 429a okulumo.gif
No, number 429 is Mr. Dungert from Germany. But maybe you are number 432?
Indeed I should be; what a good sign, people are clearly signing the petition enough that the estimates of what one you are are off by a bit ridego.gif

We should all bookmark this and wait to see what it's like in a week, month and years time rido.gif

Evildela (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 25 11:36:45

I can't wait to see the numbers of atleast the Esperantist with access to computers and the internet.

sudanglo (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 25 11:51:48

One of the problems in estimating the number of Esperanto speakers (apart from the difficulty in deciding what level of command counts) is their inherent invisibility.

Because of the simple and logical structure of the language, there will be a significant number of people who will have mastered the grammar and yet despite having retired from any active participation in the movement, wil retain a significant command of the language.

It's a little bit like trying to count the number of people who can ride a bike by counting the number of cyclists you see on the roads.

One approach perhaps would be to count the number of highly visible Esperantists - those actively using the language - and then multiply that figure by 100.

ceigered (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 26 08:12:27

I agree (with estimates at least) Sudanglo, in that you'll have to figure out roughly how many EOists are active to how many aren't, and multiply accordingly.

As far as scientific analysis goes, unless someone writes an essay on it I think it's better to go with what we can get in surveys even if they aren't all inclusive; that way we avoid unwanted attention from those who might think it necessary to attack EO over numbers we aren't 100% certain about.

After all, the more archaic English word "wit" (and "wittings" etc), while meaning "to know", originally came from the same root as the Latin videre (to see), so when attempting to be official and scientific the base number this survey gives us should be helpful. Even if we Esperantists feel that there are more of us than merely those who found that survey in the vast sea of information called the Internet okulumo.gif

erinja (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 26 14:54:51

These attempts also inevitably run into the Esperanto speakers like me who are aware of the petitions and whatevers, but who don't believe it's worth our time to bother signing.

qwertz (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 26 15:37:06

I don't understand the motivation behind that statistical counting and petition signing.

Assuming that this signing will take 15 minutes I compare it what I could do in this time to enrich E-o culture. Currently for me that means in detail creating new E-o karaoke. So in 15 minutes I will check if the lyrics I grabbed meet the regarding mp3 file. These is step one of four to create an final E-o karaoke. Just such a lot to do to get at the level of English and other natural language karaoke/sing along pools. Sorry, no time for petition signing.

So what statistical counting is doing to enrich E-o culture?

erinja (Å vise profilen) 2010 11 26 15:53:23

I don't think that it would take 15 minutes to sign the petition, it's probably more like 5 minutes.

I doubt that karaoke helps Esperanto culture any more than petitions do. Each person has their own hobby. One person's hobby is petitions, another person's hobby is karaoke, another person doesn't care about any of those things at all.

I think that learning the language well enough to speak it well, and then using the language, is the best way to promote Esperanto. I think I have now gotten well past the point of caring very much about what the exact number of Esperanto speakers is.

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