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ceigered (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 23 05:16:32

philodice:I was an intelligent child with a large vocabulary.
Other children physically attacked me at least once a week until I learned not to use it. I learned that in order to keep the number of scars on my arms to a minimum, I had to "dumb my language" down. Those stupid, violent, vocabulary hating children had sharp fingernails.

If English had a smaller vocabulary, I might have enjoyed school a lot more. Therefore, English is out as an international language. Nobody who speaks Esperanto has ever tried to assault me. ridulo.gif
Unfortunately, I think if kids spoke Esperanto, they'd still be bullies malgajo.gif. They tend to be fervant believers of whatever they feel is right and true, and if you're anything other then they try to "correct" that, sadly.

Although then again, sometimes it's just hormones, if my annoying younger siblings are anything to go by! rido.gif

RE World Language, interesting that it came from Japanese, I tried looking for "sekai-go" (replace with appropriate chinese characters) but couldn't find anything, so it seems to be non existent in any context in Japanese nowadays, at least on Google...

orthohawk (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 24 17:08:12

acdibble:What does vocabulary size have to do with eligibility for world language? English has so many words because we have Germanic and Latin roots.

Unemployment and joblessness

Those words are a good example. Do we need both words? Nope, but we have them both.
well, for one thing there's the problem of word pairs like "supervisor~overseer"..........one has unfortunate nuances attached to it.

Or maybe they're fortunate nuances, if you want to use them for rhetorical purposes ridulo.gif

Mustelvulpo (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 25 03:24:31

philodice:I was an intelligent child with a large vocabulary.
Other children physically attacked me at least once a week until I learned not to use it. I learned that in order to keep the number of scars on my arms to a minimum, I had to "dumb my language" down. Those stupid, violent, vocabulary hating children had sharp fingernails.

If English had a smaller vocabulary, I might have enjoyed school a lot more. Therefore, English is out as an international language. Nobody who speaks Esperanto has ever tried to assault me. ridulo.gif
Bullies rarely go very far in life without a major attitude change and I doubt that many with the bully mentality are attracted to an endeavor such as Esperanto. I can relate to your experience. I also had to remind myself not to use language that would lead to teasing, especially at about middle school age. Twelve-and-thirteen-year-olds are the cruelest creatures on earth!

erinja (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 25 13:28:29

Twelve and thirteen year olds? I had problems with people making fun of me for my vocabulary all the way into high school.

Fortunately I attended special school programs from age 9 until it was time to go to university; at least at school, it was "cool to be smart". But participating in community clubs outside my school, that was hard, and I had almost no friends there. Thank goodness for the magnet programs at school, or school would have been just as bad as the community activities.

But my problem was a inability to distinguish between vocabulary that everyone knew, and my vocabulary. Sometimes people would tell me they didn't know a word I had used, and no, they couldn't tell me what it was because it was "too long" or "I can't even pronounce it", but I was unable even to remember which word it might have been in what I said. One time some kids told me not to use any words more than two syllables long (though I was permitted to use the word Adrienne, the name of the girl who told me this).

Polaris (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 25 21:16:43

It's fascinating that so many of us remember being picked on or looked down on for having good verbal skills, and we're the ones who grew up to become Esperantists, and (for many of us) proficient at other languages as well.

I remember being in sixth grade and having my homeroom teacher accuse me to my mother of showing off ("he uses words so big that I don't even know what they mean, so I know he doesn't know what they mean"). I remember thinking I had to down my essays so they wouldn't think I had plagiarized. Even as an adult, I run into some of this nonsense. Isn't it funny that it's okay to be good at math, but not chic to be good at language-related skills--at least in some circles.

RiotNrrd (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 25 21:45:48

It wasn't until I was quite a bit older before I realized that my teachers hadn't been necessarily as smart as they'd have liked me to believe. I mean, my seventh grade SCIENCE teacher taught us that the earths gravity is caused by its SPIN.

Luckily, I managed to overcome my education.

ceigered (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 27 01:22:38

formiĉjo:
RiotNrrd: my seventh grade SCIENCE teacher taught us that the earths gravity is caused by its SPIN.
It's not?? rideto.gif okulumo.gif
I thought that it is caused by something's mass/weight/fatness, and that it turns said fat object into an electromagnetic attraction device. Thus why things that barely spin or have a strange method of rotating still have gravity. However, that spinning around must help, since the Island 3 O'Neill colony emulates gravity using rotation, and since something spinning around has more energy (expert advice website there! ::cough:ridulo.gif than something that's still, then I guess logically the effects of gravity are amplified.

Well, at least that's my limited understanding, brought on by an interest in the Japanese space-opera Gundam and interest in that real-life experiment where they created a device that could levitate frogs.

Erinja:One time some kids told me not to use any words more than two syllables long (though I was permitted to use the word Adrienne, the name of the girl who told me this).
Y'should've said
"Whoah, you're looking beautif- oh wait, too long, I guess I'll just have to use "ugly"" lango.gif

RiotNrrd (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 27 01:39:29

Not to completely derail the thread, but spinning has absolutely nothing to do with gravity.

In REALLY simplified terms, mass "bends" space towards itself the way an analogous weight-on-a-rubber-sheet does in 2D. The more mass, the more bending. Everything with mass (i.e., almost everything, with the exception of photons) has gravity - the more of the one, the more of the other.

You don't notice the gravity of a feather, because it has such little mass. The earth, on the other hand, has a much more noticeable amount. If you somehow stopped the earth from spinning, the gravity would not change, because you wouldn't have changed the mass any.

The general public may or may not be familiar with the effect. However, I would expect ANY science teacher to.

OK. Back to our regularly scheduled programming...

erinja (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 27 03:25:35

Yep, that's of course why black holes have such a powerful "sucking" force, which isn't really sucking at all, but a powerful gravitational pull, resulting from their extreme mass.

ceigered (Å vise profilen) 2010 12 27 09:34:38

RiotNrrd:If you somehow stopped the earth from spinning, the gravity would not change, because you wouldn't have changed the mass any.
Thanks Riot for that extremely informative explanation! Damn I love this forum, teaches me more than I learnt at school at least okulumo.gif

However on the topic of spinning (sorry, rederailing), then whats the deal with simulated gravity involving spinning things? I was under the impression that the whole inertia etc stuff causes the mass of an object to have a greater effect, although the mass isn't changing, just the energy, and that causes the effect of gravity to change as well... Perhaps "gravity" isn't the right word, but "simulated gravity" sounds too weird to constantly repeat.

Nevermind, this lovely page managed to answer my question ridulo.gif It seems I was right in thinking that inertia played a part in things but I wasn't visualising how it would work correctly, and assumed there was something to do with gravity and inertia/kinetic energy.

'Safe to say I didn't do physics past year 10 ridulo.gif
The general public may or may not be familiar with the effect. However, I would expect ANY science teacher to.
I would concur!

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