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Some "suggestions" of improvement - Your thoughts?

від chicago1, 4 січня 2011 р.

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ceigered (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 08:12:47

Re this Angos, off topic but I must add that it is very interesting and a good little thought experiment in the case it doesn't take off. Where can I borrow this creativity? okulumo.gif

johmue (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 10:57:50

razlem:
johmue:So you'd like to have some kind of marker, that tells you wether a verb is transitive or intransitive. This would add an extra syllable to more or less every verb. Quite a bit of an overhead, don't you think?
I would have no markers, but make every action ambitransitive.
Introducing ambiguities.

sudanglo (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 11:53:35

Todd, I think you have admirably hit the nail on the head.

There is so much work to be done before you can turn an idea for a language into a viable language.

This precisely why it is laughable to compare Esperanto with the language projects that came after it, as though they had the same status.

ceigered (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 12:00:41

sudanglo:This precisely why it is laughable to compare Esperanto with the language projects that came after it, as though they had the same status.
Please, stop being so god damn condescending with such hyperbolic statements (intentionally or unintentionally written).

Esperanto may have progressed further as a language but that does not give it some sort of divine status that grants such mockery touted around on a public forum as if it's the sensible and correct thing for any intelligent individual to do.

qwertz (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 12:25:27

ceigered:
sudanglo:This precisely why it is laughable to compare Esperanto with the language projects that came after it, as though they had the same status.
Esperanto may have progressed further as a language but that does not give it some sort of divine status.
Esperanto definitivly has no divine status. But probably movaduloj will not wanna accept that. I really "hope" that the spirit of the e-o komunuloj will take over that exciting Esperanto language project.

Btw. Interesting video about the Interlingua folks. (Thanks to KienLi)

T0dd (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 14:14:17

sudanglo:Todd, I think you have admirably hit the nail on the head.

There is so much work to be done before you can turn an idea for a language into a viable language.

This precisely why it is laughable to compare Esperanto with the language projects that came after it, as though they had the same status.
No, that's precisely why it's laughable that you persist in insinuating (you've backed away from asserting outright) that Ido and Interlingua aren't languages. People really have done a lot of work on these, over generations, beyond the death of the people who started them. That video of the Interlingua gathering doesn't look very different from the Esperanto gatherings that I've experienced. If you want to claim that we're speaking (and singing) a language but they're not, you can't really expect anything but laughter.

razlem (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 14:42:51

johmue:
razlem:I would have no markers, but make every action ambitransitive.
Introducing ambiguities.
If you take the verbs out of context, then yes. But this is true of any language. One can not hope to create a language with no ambiguity.

johmue (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 15:16:15

razlem:
johmue:
razlem:I would have no markers, but make every action ambitransitive.
Introducing ambiguities.
If you take the verbs out of context, then yes. But this is true of any language. One can not hope to create a language with no ambiguity.
But with less ambiguity than others. That's the philosophy of Esperanto. Create as little ambiguity as possible.

Your "true for any language" sounds a bit like "There is no 100% security, so why should I care about security issues?"

qwertz (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 16:51:33

Hhm. That's not intented to offend somebody. But, maybe I'm alone with that perception. But telling others that something is true makes me laughing everytime about that "bumble-bee generalisation attack". Somebody telling me or the audience the absolute truth (in German: "Wahrheit") I can not handle seriously. I'm very high interested in other people opinions. But not in generalisation Schubladendenken (stereotyped thinking).

Pardon, that probably was something off-topic.

sudanglo (Переглянути профіль) 13 березня 2011 р. 19:06:31

Keep your shirt on Ceiger, I am perfectly entitled to express my opinion that it's silly to compare Esperanto with the other IL initiatives - for the very reasons that Todd so clearly gave.

Why do you not find them compelling? Isn't he right.

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