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Listening to and Reading "Good" Esperanto

від yonosami, 5 квітня 2011 р.

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yonosami (Переглянути профіль) 5 квітня 2011 р. 23:15:13

Hello everybody!

So, here is my dilemma. I feel like I should start reading and listening to Esperanto. However, I'm hesitant because I'm not always sure what is grammatically correct Esperanto. I don't want to pick up any incorrect or just plain out blatantly wrong Esperanto. So, how are the Esperanto forums (in Esperanto) on here? Who are some good speakers on Youtube I can listen to? What are some websites that use appropriate grammar and style in Esperanto? How is Vikipedio? Are there parts of Vikipedio that are "safe" to read from? Are there any particular parts should I avoid like the plague?

Thanks!

3rdblade (Переглянути профіль) 5 квітня 2011 р. 23:25:06

For listening, I like Radio Vatikana, brief and clear. My listening is still not that fluent, so I find Varsovia Vento and Radio Verda a bit trickier as yet.

One thing I am doing to improve my listening is writing dictation, from some of the texts with audio here at lernu.

T0dd (Переглянути профіль) 5 квітня 2011 р. 23:49:29

Libera Folio is a web site with fairly short articles in excellent Esperanto.

Check the library here at Lernu! for a lot of good reading. I think anything by Claude Piron (or written under his pseudonym, Johan Valano) is well worth reading, and is written in a model style.

erinja (Переглянути профіль) 6 квітня 2011 р. 01:29:54

To add to what Todd said, the kind of people who read Libera Folio usually speak good Esperanto, so the discussions and comments by readers, found below the articles, are usually written in pretty good Esperanto as well.

Vikipedio is hit or miss, but I couldn't really point to any specific parts that should be avoided. I wouldn't avoid Wikipedia in general. It gets the grammar right far more often than it gets it wrong. As a hint, if an article is very long and detailed, in my opinion it is likely to be written in better Esperanto than a short article (because the long article has probably been edited more times and had more people working on it).

Chinese Radio International has an Esperanto page with news articles, audio, and some video. The Esperanto is usually pretty good. The articles can be a little boring, however. I don't think that you'll find anything scintillating in Wen Jiabao esperas : Ĉinio kaj Germanio kaptu bonŝancon por efektivigi komunajn konojn (Wen Jiabao hopes that China and Germany will take advantage of their chance to get to know one another]. But some articles are more interesting than that. You are essentially reading the Chinese government party line - this can be educational in itself!

yonosami (Переглянути профіль) 6 квітня 2011 р. 03:14:18

Wow, thanks everyone!

So, I take it the Radio Verda and Varsovia Vento speakers are okay grammatically speaking?

How about the books freely available online such as i-espero.info, Tekstaro de Esperanto, the Don Harlow website, Gutenberg, etc?

Finally, are there any podcasts from speakers from Latin America? I ask because although I didn't finish it, I really liked the accents from the speakers on Kurso de Esperanto. I couldn't always understand them on certain words (especially words that began in either a 'b' or 'v'), but with some tweaking that's the accent I want to achieve in Esperanto.

patrik (Переглянути профіль) 6 квітня 2011 р. 04:25:12

yonosami:Finally, are there any podcasts from speakers from Latin America? I ask because although I didn't finish it, I really liked the accents from the speakers on Kurso de Esperanto. I couldn't always understand them on certain words (especially words that began in either a 'b' or 'v'), but with some tweaking that's the accent I want to achieve in Esperanto.
Here's two:
Parolu, Mondo!(el Brazilo)
Radio Havano Kubo en Esperanto

I checked Radio Aktiva [from Uruguay], but it seems that it is unavailable at present.

3rdblade (Переглянути профіль) 6 квітня 2011 р. 07:41:03

yonosami:So, I take it the Radio Verda and Varsovia Vento speakers are okay grammatically speaking?
How about the books freely available online such as i-espero.info, Tekstaro de Esperanto, the Don Harlow website, Gutenberg, etc?
Some of the texts at Gutenberg are by Zamenhof himself. The other translations are of out-of-print books that were once published by companies with high editorial standards, so the Esperanto should be of the best quality (grammatical, if not artisic!).

Radio Verda and Varsovia Vento seem a bit more casual and chatty than Radio Vatikana, and also a bit longer, so they're a bit more difficult for me as yet, but as far as I know their Esperanto is very good. Varsovia Vento seems pretty youth-oriented, too.

Modest T0dd, above, did not mention he has started doing a podcast too, brief and clear, all about beer. Do another one soon, Mister!

sudanglo (Переглянути профіль) 6 квітня 2011 р. 08:25:23

I wouldn't worry too much about picking up bad habits from reading poor Esperanto.

There is something about the structure of the language that allows you to fairly quickly develop a feel for what is good style, poor grammar etc.

Remember that Esperanto is far more logical and less idiomatic than the national languages.

If you read something that appears to you doubtful, you can always check it with other speakers in these forums, or look it up in the relevant section in the online grammar, PMEG

Miland (Переглянути профіль) 6 квітня 2011 р. 09:59:44

The recommendations of Don Harlow, PMEG, and Pola Retradio are all safe guides, as well as other Esperanto radio stations recommended here (Verda, Ĉinio, Vatikano).

qwertz (Переглянути профіль) 6 квітня 2011 р. 10:35:35

Funny to read that right now with this thread in mind:

vinilkosmo-mp3.com/trajn-nenien

"...In contrast to Dolchamar’s other albums, the texts in Trajn’ nenien are in clear and pure Esperanto, written in collaboration with Vinilkosmo. For this reason, the album is suitable for studying the language..."

Well, ... okulumo.gif

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