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Globish wordlist

de ceigered, 17 de julho de 2011

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Idioma: English

ceigered (Mostrar o perfil) 22 de julho de 2011 15:52:15

geo63:
sudanglo:Problem is Geo, if Globish works well enough, then why do we need Esperanto?
The answer is very simple - if we stick to English, it will be Globish - a primitive language, capable of expresing only basic ideas (asking way, direction, booking tickets, shopping). If we choose Esperanto, we will have a full language with no limitations Globish brings. Of course this is not going to happen... at least not in hundred years.
How do we come to that conclusion? What is causing the simplifications? Why is Esperanto invulnerable to them?

Anything that would occur to English over a long period of time would also occur to Esperanto, wouldn't it okulumo.gif

sudanglo (Mostrar o perfil) 23 de julho de 2011 11:42:06

You are thinking like a linguist Ceiger, and imagine Esperanto is just like other languages and will change in the same way, accumulating a heavy burden of historical baggage encompassing many irregularites.

You are overlooking two points.

Firstly that the simplicity of the structure of Esperanto makes any deviation from regularity stick out like a sore thumb. (How could an irregular verb, for example, or an irregular plural, arise in Esperanto?)

Secondly it has established itself over a lengthy trial period in which the overwhelming tradition among the speakers has been to make the language conform to its international purpose, so that opaque idioms, and nationalisms, and unclear expression have been consistently avoided.

qwertz (Mostrar o perfil) 23 de julho de 2011 15:39:54

sudanglo:
Secondly it has established itself over a lengthy trial period in which the overwhelming tradition among the speakers has been to make the language conform to its international purpose, so that opaque idioms, and nationalisms, and unclear expression have been consistently avoided.
And you expect that next generations will follow-up with that "overwhelming tradition"? I don't think so. The today's world is not that clear bounded like before Iron curtain dropped.

Altebrilas (Mostrar o perfil) 23 de julho de 2011 22:29:20

The question is: will Globish become a standard? Not a standard de facto - it is already the case. But a standard in the sense of ISO, a list of words, expressions and grammar rules to use exclusively. And that would be a problem to native english speakers if they have to restrain themselves to globish instead of full english.

qwertz (Mostrar o perfil) 24 de julho de 2011 08:20:01

What CEFR level holds the Globish concept?

I have never seen a teaching book of Globish at several bookstores. Maybe that Globish recommendations could be helpful to start learning English. But afterwards I will proceed with broader learning subset material. An good English teaching book only offers the learning material someones could grasp. Okay, I have to choose the proper one before. But I will do so according to the recommendations of my teacher. I'm also in doubt that i.e. the British Council supports that Globish concept. In my opinion non-native English speakers will change the way "what's and how it is common" to speak. They will position the concepts of their native languages against Oxford/Cambridge English.

Globish? Nice for learn walking. Non-proper for learning to run.

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