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Esperanto Characters

PatrickB,2011年8月1日の

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PatrickB (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 4:25:22

I just started learning Esperanto about three weeks ago, and I was wondering how most people type the accented versions of s, g, etc. I know that the Free Esperanto Course says that you can use x's to denote this, but there has to be another way? Does anyone know of a program or setting I can use for this?

cFlat7 (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 5:15:41

PatrickB:I just started learning Esperanto about three weeks ago, and I was wondering how most people type the accented versions of s, g, etc. I know that the Free Esperanto Course says that you can use x's to denote this, but there has to be another way? Does anyone know of a program or setting I can use for this?
I use Ek which seems to work quite well:

http://www.esperanto.mv.ru/Ek/

PatrickB (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 5:53:52

Looks good, but unfortunately, my Esperanto hasn't progressed to that level yet. Care to explain how to install it?

erinja (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 6:35:34

I recommend Tajpi, which comes with interfaces in English and Esperanto. It works the same as Ek! but the English interface makes it easier for beginners.

cFlat7 (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 6:41:39

PatrickB:Looks good, but unfortunately, my Esperanto hasn't progressed to that level yet. Care to explain how to install it?
I believe you run the program ek39inst.exe, which installs the program and should be there lurking in the background.

To use it, when you want to type a letter like ŝ, you type sx or sh and Ek will change it to the 'ŝ'.

To turn this feature on / off you hold shift and alt plus the space bar. I believe this is configurable and I may have changed what keys to use (sorry, I'm writting this from memory on an iPad).

Hope this helps.

Sinanthiel (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 7:58:14

I personally think Tajpi is a better program. You don't need to remember a combination of keys to turn on/off the program. You can just click on the Esperanto flag in your task bar and choose active, if there is a check next to the word active, that means it's on, it there isn't that means it's off. Plus the flag will have a red X to show that it's disabled. And as Erinja said, it's in english and esperanto so it makes it easier to choose options.

Good luck!

P.S. You just need to type sx, cx, jx, gx, hx etc to get ŝ, ĉ, ĵ, ĝ, ĥ. If it's active you can type x twice if you want it to show up as sx and not ŝ. So that makes it easy as well. ridulo.gif

erinja (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 8:39:31

To be fair, I think Ek! is nearly as easy to use as Tajpi. But it doesn't have an interface in any language other than Esperanto, so it's complicated for beginners.

ceigered (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 9:47:14

formiĉjo:
erinja:To be fair, I think Ek! is nearly as easy to use as Tajpi. But it doesn't have an interface in any language other than Esperanto, so it's complicated for beginners.
Does anyone know one for the Mac?

Ĉu iu scias ilon por la Mako?
God knows where I found it, but there was a mac keyboard layout that automatically turns the x-system into the little hats and all.

Otherwise, do what I do and use US international, and use option+6 and option+b to get the hats you want. That's already in the system, and I can't find where the custom layout is anymore anyway okulumo.gif

tommjames (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 9:56:20

Actually, I think it's possible to turn Ek on and off with the tray icon too. At least as far as I remember; I'm trying it on my Windows 7 machine and double clicking it crashes the program. On my home machine which is also Windows 7 (64-bit) the app won't run at all (well the tray icon appears, but the app doesn't function). It seems Ek has some compatibility problems with Win7, although some people do report success. I notice the webpage doesn't mention Win7 as a compatible operating system, so that could be something to bear in mind when deciding which program to use.

In terms of features Tajpi and Ek are very similar, although Tajpi has a few little things Ek doesn't, like ability to use Alt-Gr, paste the letter out the clipboard, and input HTML codes, which some people may find useful.

The other thing is Tajpi does away with that whole codepaĝe-replacement scheme from Ek, which seems in Ek to have the advantage of making it compatible with more applications, at the cost of a somewhat more baffling configuration system. Using Tajpi would be more or less the same as having Ek configured with "Neniuj ŝanĝoj" in the "Instalo" tab. These days though most apps can accept Unicode characters perfectly well so I left all that stuff out when I built Tajpi. I haven't really missed it.

alonsososo (プロフィールを表示) 2011年8月1日 10:36:22

erinja:I recommend Tajpi, which comes with interfaces in English and Esperanto. It works the same as Ek! but the English interface makes it easier for beginners.
I am happy to use Tajpi. Now it works well. But recently I got an answer from an Afrikan Esperantist who was not happy with it. For him all he got was strange signs and letters, which looks even worse than cx or jx....

Does anyone has a solution?

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