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Can anyone understand this?

od rlsinclair, 4 listopada 2011

Wpisy: 8

Język: English

rlsinclair (Pokaż profil) 4 listopada 2011, 07:45:14

Can anyone understand and transcribe the extract below :-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b016ljlz
at the 9:35 mark.

This may not be accessible outside the UK.
Thanks.

sudanglo (Pokaż profil) 4 listopada 2011, 11:51:54

My family is very traditional. One year my uncle hung (hanged) himself at Christmas and they refused to take him down until the sixth of January.

(In the UK there is traditionally a period over which Christmas Decorations can be up and then later should be taken down)

Is it Mark Watson trying to speak in Esperanto?

I wonder whether at some time he tried to learn Esperanto, or if a translation of the joke was given to him by an Esperantist.

Miland (Pokaż profil) 4 listopada 2011, 13:48:25

rlsinclair:Can anyone understand and transcribe at the 9:35 mark :-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b016ljlz
It sounded to me like
Mia familio estas tre tradicia. Unu jaro mia onklo penditas (en) je kristnasko kaj mia familio rifuzas (preni lin de) supre ĝis la 6-a januaro. Brackets indicate my uncertainty.

Now here's a question: how would we correct the grammar of this dabbler in Esperanto?

Perhaps Unu jaro should become Iujare, penditas should be pendumis sin and rifuzas preni lin de supre should be rifuzis mallevi lin.

sudanglo (Pokaż profil) 4 listopada 2011, 20:45:09

Oh, it isn't Mark Watson - but sounds like him. Re-listening I noticed that they give the comedian's name but I didn't recognize it.

In more grammatical Esperanto Unu jaro should be Unu jaron.

Sounds like Penditas, but to be fair he speaks so quickly it could be poor articulation of Pendigis. I think I heard 'sin' after that.

The joke works better with pendigis rather than pendumis and NPIV allows pendigi in the meaning of pendumi.

I think rifuzis preni lin de supre is OK, Miland.

Anyway, perhaps this was a first - a joke told in Esperanto on National UK Radio in front of an English audience. Strangely, you could believe from the laughter that they understood the joke.

9 out of ten for effort. Needs to speak more slowly.

rlsinclair (Pokaż profil) 5 listopada 2011, 13:01:02

Thanks for your replies. Now that I know what he is saying it is not too difficult to follow it.

qwertz (Pokaż profil) 6 listopada 2011, 08:49:30

rlsinclair:Thanks for your replies. Now that I know what he is saying it is not too difficult to follow it.
Pooh, I give it a hear. How did you get it to ignore that non-fading laughing machine? Or is it mixed to entertainers talking real-time? Pfff. Anyway, thanks for that hint.

ceigered (Pokaż profil) 6 listopada 2011, 09:07:42

The use of "unu jaroN" is to show that there's an imaginary preposition/relationship that the accusative N is standing in for, yeah?

Also, "de supre" sort of means "from above", with the "from" being a weaker, more ambiguous meaning than "el", is that correct? I'm guessing "el supre" would be a stronger sense of "origin" (he originates from there) as opposed to "where he came from last time" (he was up there at some time).

erinja (Pokaż profil) 6 listopada 2011, 14:17:59

"unu jaron" is use of -n to show time.

But yes, you could remove the -n if you added a preposition of time.

-n shows direct object, direction of movement, time, or measurement.

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