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No SOPA strike?

ya Vestitor, 18 Januari 2012

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Vestitor (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 2:14:34 alasiri

Is Lernu not joining the SOPA protest by being offline today? This site is a classic example of what web freedom achieves.

erinja (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 2:29:29 alasiri

We aren't significant enough for very many people to notice or care that we were offline. We would probably just get a lot of confused messages from our users asking why we were offline.

Though maybe it would bring in some more donations if people thought that we needed to upgrade our server space.

Vilius (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 2:29:53 alasiri

Why would a website intended for worldwide use go off-line to protest against law of one country? And why should anyone outside US even care about it?

erinja (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 2:33:53 alasiri

Incidentally Wikipedia's SOPA strike has a chance of making some impact because so many people regard it as essential (though it is actually only the English Wikipedia that is striking, and a couple of other languages, not including Esperanto).

People miss Wikipedia if it's gone for a day.

I think that to most people it's no big deal if an Esperanto learning site is gone for a day.

We have no reason to flatter ourselves as to our importance.

Vestitor (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 2:47:04 alasiri

Vilius:Why would a website intended for worldwide use go off-line to protest against law of one country? And why should anyone outside US even care about it?
That's a bit parochial. Unfortunately the US has a a lot of power over the internet. Many of the sites people visit or on servers there, even if the site is not a US entity.

[note - I changed this because I mistakenly replied to Erinja]

Vestitor (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 2:49:47 alasiri

erinja:
I think that to most people it's no big deal if an Esperanto learning site is gone for a day.

We have no reason to flatter ourselves as to our importance.
That's a fair point but it's not the real issue. This would be more evident should the day arrive when Lernu received a legal threat because someone - unwittingly or otherwise - linked to a website (perhaps t a download) and 'infringed upon copyright'.

Vilius (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 2:52:08 alasiri

Vestitor:Many of the sites people visit or on servers there, even if the site is not a US entity.
Moving a website (event a big one) to a server in another country is technically almost trivial and relatively inexpensive. Yes, it would cause some temporary inconvenience (over lost domain names, etc), but would not do too much damage in the long run.

Vilius (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 2:59:12 alasiri

Vestitor:This would be more evident should the day arrive when Lernu received a legal threat because someone - unwittingly or otherwise - linked to a website (perhaps t a download) and 'infringed upon copyright'.
If I'm not mistaken, lernu is hosted in Germany. That's probably as outside the jurisdiction of US laws as it could get ridulo.gif

darkweasel (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 3:10:06 alasiri

Vilius:
Vestitor:This would be more evident should the day arrive when Lernu received a legal threat because someone - unwittingly or otherwise - linked to a website (perhaps t a download) and 'infringed upon copyright'.
If I'm not mistaken, lernu is hosted in Germany. That's probably as outside the jurisdiction of US laws as it could get ridulo.gif
And if I'm not mistaken, lernu! is operated by the US-based Esperantic Studies Foundation. Not very much outside the jurisdiction of US laws.

Vilius (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Januari 2012 3:22:18 alasiri

darkweasel:And if I'm not mistaken, lernu! is operated by the US-based Esperantic Studies Foundation. Not very much outside the jurisdiction of US laws.
Didn't know that.. Then let's immediately shut down the website. THAT will teach them a lesson rido.gif

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