Meddelelser: 13
Sprog: English
EldanarLambetur (Vise profilen) 17. maj 2012 16.01.54
"That idiotic system of participles is one of the reasons why Esperanto is only a plaything for lingvofreaks and not a real language."
My reply:
"The participles are actually a more regular and logical system for expressing what takes complex and irregular structures to express in languages such as English. You may be used to them as an English speaker, but Esperanto is not just for the English. So this makes them extremely useful for learners from many different language backgrounds.
A number of languages have systems quite similar, though less regular than Esperanto’s system. This shows it is not an silly eccentricity of a made up language. English’s system of participles is just arbitrarily limited.
They are also surprisingly simple for what is probably the most complicated aspect of Esperanto.
They can allow some really succinct and elegant writing/speech. This is what makes them linguistically interesting, and worthy of exploration. But at the same time, just because they are linguistically interesting and one can explore their expressiveness for a long time, does not make them impractical or un-useful. They are concise for when one needs to be concise.
To say that they are idiotic, seems baseless and ignorant on your part."
Does anyone here just grin and bear Eo's participles? Or do you love them as much as I?
tommjames (Vise profilen) 17. maj 2012 17.16.38
Does anyone here just grin and bear Eo's participles?I quite like them myself. In any case, they are easier to grin and bear than trolls
marcuscf (Vise profilen) 17. maj 2012 17.54.15
However, sometimes I wish there were a simpler way to make the passive voice, without hesitating between -ita and -ata.
RiotNrrd (Vise profilen) 17. maj 2012 23.01.21
My response to trolls on my own blog is to simply prune away their trolly comments and not bother responding to them. Because they honestly don't care what your response is, except insofar as they can use it as a springboard to more trollery. So there's really no point in responding, and at the same time there's no reason to clutter up your comment threads with unpleasant nonsense.
Actually attempting to engage trolls in conversation, as you appear to be doing, is nearly always a mistake. Because they really don't care what you have to say. They are all about the reaction, not the content.
If you still want to cover this ground anyway, then I would suggest doing a blog post containing the content in your comment response, except without positioning it as a response to your troll. Trolls should not be reacted to.
Diablo (Vise profilen) 18. maj 2012 02.49.22
EldanarLambetur, I think that RiotNrrd's suggestion makes perfect sense. But, for what it's worth, your troll sounds like a spiteful failed Esperanto student who is simply pissed off because he was too much of a flake to put a bit of persistence in his effort.
sudanglo (Vise profilen) 18. maj 2012 08.13.47
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erinja (Vise profilen) 19. maj 2012 11.22.29
sudanglo:My advice Eldanar is just to delete any reactions to your blog that seem unconstructive, or just plain idiotic. There's no point in trying to engage with such a poster.+1
When someone asks a constructive question ["How are participles used in Esperanto compared to other languages?"], it can start a productive discussion. But trolls aren't interested in productive discussions.
It's your own private blog, so delete the trolling questions and don't annoy the sincere users with them. If the troll has a sincere question, they can come back and ask it in a non-troll-like fashion.
vincas (Vise profilen) 19. maj 2012 11.47.54