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Language: English
logixoul (User's profile) September 4, 2005, 2:34:55 PM
Ĉu mi supozita diri la "dz" en vortoj kiel "midzi" kaj "edzo" kiel grapolo aŭ (?!)plodaĵorektalaŭgradeellasiaero?
russ (User's profile) November 17, 2008, 10:17:25 AM
logixoul:Am I supposed to pronounce the "dz" in words like "midzi" and "edzo" like a cluster or an affricate?Simply as a "d" followed by a "z".
Sort of like the end of the English "beds" (note that the final sound of that English word has a z-sound, not an s-sound, in most English dialects I'm aware of).
Matthieu (User's profile) November 17, 2008, 5:08:59 PM
I couldn't tell how I pronounce it, because I am unable to hear any difference between “ts” and “c”.
Miland (User's profile) November 17, 2008, 7:17:02 PM
logixoul:Am I supposed to pronounce the "dz" in words like "midzi" and "edzo" like a cluster or an affricate?Aren't africates or affricates just a subset of consonant clusters? Anyway, if so, d is a stop and z is a fricative, so IMHO dz is africate, and, by implication, a consonant cluster.
webgovernor (User's profile) November 18, 2008, 7:34:20 PM
Mutusen:Pronounce it as you like.I was unaware of a difference with "ts" and "c". These sounds exists in English as well, "pence, hence, cents", and they all sound the same essentially, the "c" is just a little quicker than the "ts".
I couldn't tell how I pronounce it, because I am unable to hear any difference between “ts” and “c”.
However, I've heard some people "claim" to be able to hear a difference, but I would suggest that there dialects are subjected to waveform analysis.
If there is a difference, I cannot hear it either.
Zafur (User's profile) November 24, 2008, 10:59:58 PM
ceigered (User's profile) November 26, 2008, 1:21:04 PM
mnlg (User's profile) November 26, 2008, 1:25:35 PM
ceigered:Can you *slackly* pronounce the 'c' as a 's' in words like 'participo' and 'scias'? It takes me forever to pronounce it as 'partitsipo' and 'stsias'.Of course you can. But it's not correct.
Seriously, most people won't care, on the contrary, they will be pleased that you are making the effort. Also, having conversation is one of the best tools to practice and if you practice enough, it will get more and more natural to pronounce such combinations.
To practice "sc" just try rests, tests, feasts, and so on.
ceigered (User's profile) November 26, 2008, 2:46:42 PM
mnlg:cheers, I guess I need to hear it spoken a bit to gain confidence though.
Of course you can. But it's not correct.
Seriously, most people won't care, on the contrary, they will be pleased that you are making the effort. Also, having conversation is one of the best tools to practice and if you practice enough, it will get more and more natural to pronounce such combinations.
To practice "sc" just try rests, tests, feasts, and so on.