Ujumbe: 9
Lugha: English
logixoul (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 4 Septemba 2005 2:34:55 alasiri
Ĉu mi supozita diri la "dz" en vortoj kiel "midzi" kaj "edzo" kiel grapolo aŭ (?!)plodaĵorektalaŭgradeellasiaero?
russ (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 17 Novemba 2008 10:17:25 asubuhi
logixoul:Am I supposed to pronounce the "dz" in words like "midzi" and "edzo" like a cluster or an affricate?Simply as a "d" followed by a "z".
Sort of like the end of the English "beds" (note that the final sound of that English word has a z-sound, not an s-sound, in most English dialects I'm aware of).
Matthieu (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 17 Novemba 2008 5:08:59 alasiri
I couldn't tell how I pronounce it, because I am unable to hear any difference between “ts” and “c”.
Miland (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 17 Novemba 2008 7:17:02 alasiri
logixoul:Am I supposed to pronounce the "dz" in words like "midzi" and "edzo" like a cluster or an affricate?Aren't africates or affricates just a subset of consonant clusters? Anyway, if so, d is a stop and z is a fricative, so IMHO dz is africate, and, by implication, a consonant cluster.
webgovernor (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 18 Novemba 2008 7:34:20 alasiri
Mutusen:Pronounce it as you like.I was unaware of a difference with "ts" and "c". These sounds exists in English as well, "pence, hence, cents", and they all sound the same essentially, the "c" is just a little quicker than the "ts".
I couldn't tell how I pronounce it, because I am unable to hear any difference between “ts” and “c”.
However, I've heard some people "claim" to be able to hear a difference, but I would suggest that there dialects are subjected to waveform analysis.
If there is a difference, I cannot hear it either.
Zafur (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 24 Novemba 2008 10:59:58 alasiri
ceigered (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 26 Novemba 2008 1:21:04 alasiri
mnlg (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 26 Novemba 2008 1:25:35 alasiri
ceigered:Can you *slackly* pronounce the 'c' as a 's' in words like 'participo' and 'scias'? It takes me forever to pronounce it as 'partitsipo' and 'stsias'.Of course you can. But it's not correct.
Seriously, most people won't care, on the contrary, they will be pleased that you are making the effort. Also, having conversation is one of the best tools to practice and if you practice enough, it will get more and more natural to pronounce such combinations.
To practice "sc" just try rests, tests, feasts, and so on.
ceigered (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 26 Novemba 2008 2:46:42 alasiri
mnlg:cheers, I guess I need to hear it spoken a bit to gain confidence though.
Of course you can. But it's not correct.
Seriously, most people won't care, on the contrary, they will be pleased that you are making the effort. Also, having conversation is one of the best tools to practice and if you practice enough, it will get more and more natural to pronounce such combinations.
To practice "sc" just try rests, tests, feasts, and so on.