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Esperanto "Maneuver Enemy" Manuals

viết bởi eojeff, Ngày 05 tháng 7 năm 2012

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eojeff (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 23:57:02 Ngày 05 tháng 7 năm 2012

From the 1950s until the 1970s the US Army had manuals on the Esperanto language. I think some manuals were also translated INTO Esperanto as well. These manuals depicted a fictional (and vaguely communist) "Maneuver Enemy", or "Aggressor Forces." I've seen PDFs on the web of different quality levels here and there. It looks like some of them went through various revisions and updates. I've never seen a complete list of all such manuals. I suspect, counting revisions, there were quite a few such manuals and documents produced.

Being something of a history nerd, I'd love to get my hands on copies of these manuals if I could. Do any of you know where a complete list of these manuals and/or page scans thereof can be found?

Dankon!

Vespero_ (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:15:01 Ngày 06 tháng 7 năm 2012

This sounds really, really cool! Can you link to any of the PDFs you've found?

mschmitt (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 06:31:06 Ngày 06 tháng 7 năm 2012

Vespero_ (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 14:48:37 Ngày 06 tháng 7 năm 2012

mschmitt:For those who have never heard of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ2ei7e6aAs
http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/docrepositor...
http://www.alternatewars.com/WW3/Trigons/FM30_102_...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/44434597/1962-Esperanto-...
Thanks! Looking through them, I notice some humorous mistakes, though. The second link mixes up "u" and "ŭ" during vowel delineation. One thing that confuses me, though, is that the second link gives the pronunciation of "v" as "v — v — like the w in wilt or coward." It also lists the Personal Pronouns, but does not define them (which probably wouldn't be a huge deal without "Si" )

The last link mixes "c" up with "ĉ" for the purposes of "ĉu" and also lists "v" as being a /w/ sound. Maybe I'm missing something?

Lauro_Edvardo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 15:26:05 Ngày 06 tháng 7 năm 2012

eojeff (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 18:40:48 Ngày 06 tháng 7 năm 2012

This site has some more "Aggressor" manuals: http://www.alternatewars.com/WW3/Trigons/Trigons.h.... It even has a running, but probably not complete, bibliography.

So, that's more of them. Just not all of them. Progress. ridulo.gif

mschmitt (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 19:58:42 Ngày 06 tháng 7 năm 2012

Lauro_Edvardo:The last link is also available as a free download from Google Books in PDF form:
http://books.google.com/books/about/Esperanto_the_...
Yep. Found that too, when I saw that Scribd have begun to charge for downloads. What a friponaĵo.

Vespero_:Maybe I'm missing something?
Check the video for an additional hint as to how diligently they tried to get their Esperanto right, in terms of grammar and pronounciation. There's the speech in front of the troops at 00:45 and the interrogation at 03:00. ridulo.gif

Vespero_ (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 21:30:51 Ngày 06 tháng 7 năm 2012

mschmitt:
Vespero_:Maybe I'm missing something?
Check the video for an additional hint as to how diligently they tried to get their Esperanto right, in terms of grammar and pronounciation. There's the speech in front of the troops at 00:45 and the interrogation at 03:00. ridulo.gif
Ho ve...

erinja (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 03:45:45 Ngày 07 tháng 7 năm 2012

I have a paper copy of one of those manuals. Bought it from an Esperanto charity auction, paid more than it was worth since I knew it was for a good cause. It was donated by another local Esperanto speaker, not totally sure where he originally got it from.

There are some strange small errors in it and some of the military terms are translated in a way that I wouldn't necessarily have picked, but it's quite interesting anyway.

eojeff (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 13:07:27 Ngày 09 tháng 7 năm 2012

As others have noted, some of the military terms picked by the authors of these documents perhaps aren't the best. This makes me wonder if there is a good dictionary of modern military terms in Esperanto.

Any ideas?

A quick run through my dictionary (Wells 2010) shows words like "aircraft carrier" and such. But I don't see military technology words like "point defense." I haven't checked for unit terms like "platoon" or "fire team."

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