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RajMishra (Profiel tonen) 7 november 2012 05:27:55
nask-naski.
In the case of ami, when 'i' is replaced by 'O', the words becomes 'love' or, I may be wrong: the root 'am' may have the natural tendency to take 'O'.
Anyway, whatever the case might be, 'to love' can be changed into 'love' and vice veraca by a little 'last-piece' change.
Now consider the word, 'Tranchilo', it means knife. Does 'tranchili' mean 'to knife'?
Lets now take the case of 'Naski': to express the concept of 'Birth-day" we have to change 'Naski' into 'Naskigxo'. What is worng with 'Nasktago', can we not form 'Nasko' on the line of 'Amo'?
The last question:
Do we add the suffix 'igx- to make Gerund?
Renkoni means to meet but 'renkonigxis' means 'meeting'.
Can we say 'Paroligxis' for 'Talking/Conversation'?
The formation of 'Noun to Verb' and 'Verb to Noun' are giving me a real hard time!
darkweasel (Profiel tonen) 7 november 2012 06:42:10
RajMishra:Some roots are 'Verb' roots, they have the natural tendency to take 'i' ending; Kur->kuri/am-ami/renkon->renkoti/Right - AM/ is a verbal root.
nask-naski.
In the case of ami, when 'i' is replaced by 'O', the words becomes 'love' or, I may be wrong: the root 'am' may have the natural tendency to take 'O'.
RajMishra: Anyway, whatever the case might be, 'to love' can be changed into 'love' and vice veraca by a little 'last-piece' change.(I had to check what that word means in English.) Tranĉili means "to do something with a knife". It is not a word that you can use very frequently, and it doesn't have a lexicalized more special meaning because there is no "most likely" action that you can do with a knife.
Now consider the word, 'Tranchilo', it means knife. Does 'tranchili' mean 'to knife'?
RajMishra: Lets now take the case of 'Naski': to express the concept of 'Birth-day" we have to change 'Naski' into 'Naskigxo'. What is worng with 'Nasktago', can we not form 'Nasko' on the line of 'Amo'?Naski means "to give birth", naskiĝi means "to be born". So both nasko and naskiĝo mean "a birth" but the first one means it from the perspective of the mother, the second one from the one of the child.
"Birthday" is normally naskiĝtago because when you're talking about somebody's birthday, the important thing is that they were born on that day, not that somebody gave birth.
RajMishra:The last question:No, -iĝ means a lot of things but not what you think it means. When you put it on a (transitive) verb, it changes it into a "middle voice" verb. That is similar to a passive but it doesn't emphasize that it was somebody else who did that - the subject may also have done this to themself.
Do we add the suffix 'igx- to make Gerund?
Renkoni means to meet but 'renkonigxis' means 'meeting'.
Can we say 'Paroligxis' for 'Talking/Conversation'?
tommjames (Profiel tonen) 7 november 2012 10:37:54
RajMishra:Do we add the suffix 'igx- to make Gerund?As darkweasel has explained, -iĝ is not what you want here. To form a gerund in Esperanto you would typically use the -ad suffix, so talking = parolado. In some cases you may be able to translate an English gerund by simply using the substantive form of a verb, like "danco": "Mi ŝatas dancon" would be acceptable as a translation of both "I like dance" and "I like dancing".
Renkoni means to meet but 'renkonigxis' means 'meeting'.
Can we say 'Paroligxis' for 'Talking/Conversation'?
sudanglo (Profiel tonen) 7 november 2012 11:23:36
You probably wouldn't say to 'spade' the ground, or to 'fork' someone, or to 'scissor' some paper.
However in a fight in a pub someone might 'knife' someone, and you can 'spoon' sugar into your tea.
Why wouldn't you say 'tranĉili'? Probably because we have the verb tranĉi for the action. Again, I doubt that one would say 'skribili, for to 'pen' a letter, nor 'kombili' for to 'comb' ones hair.
You can of course say 'ponardi' for to stab, or 'marteli' for to hammer, or 'brosi' for to brush, but these are verbs derived from the nouns ponardo, martelo, and broso.
darkweasel (Profiel tonen) 7 november 2012 12:40:40
hebda999 (Profiel tonen) 7 november 2012 13:14:50
darkweasel:I would rather understand "tranĉili" as "to be a knife", though I would not use it in such way.
(I had to check what that word means in English.) Tranĉili means "to do something with a knife". It is not a word that you can use very frequently, and it doesn't have a lexicalized more special meaning because there is no "most likely" action that you can do with a knife.
tommjames (Profiel tonen) 7 november 2012 13:33:28
T0dd (Profiel tonen) 16 november 2012 16:27:57
The English word "transpire" is sometimes used to mean "happen" but it actually means "to become known", in the sense of word getting out about something. I wonder if it would work to say something like Paroliĝis ke la generalo havis amaferon. "It transpired that the general had an affair." Would diriĝi be better? To me, Diriĝis ke la generalo havis amaferon is more like "It was said that the general had an affair," which isn't quite the same. In any case, I'd be more inclined to say Oni diris...
Maybe just sciiĝi is best...
erinja (Profiel tonen) 16 november 2012 20:08:38
I like diriĝis better than paroliĝis in that case, though.
matrix (Profiel tonen) 17 november 2012 07:16:58
T0dd:I wonder if it would work to say something like Paroliĝis ke la generalo havis amaferon. "It transpired that the general had an affair." Would diriĝi be better? To me, Diriĝis ke la generalo havis amaferon is more like "It was said that the general had an affair,"In Esperanto, there is no sequence of tenses. And commas are supposed to be put between clauses, which, in this case, is quite useful.
So, “Diriĝis ke la generalo havis amaferon.” should be “Diriĝis, ke la generalo havas amaferon.”
As for “to transpire”, it may be translated by aperi.
In this case, there is a notion of progressiveness of a process which becomes known or apparent.
“It transpired that the general had an affair.” may be translated by “Aperis, ke la generalo havas amaferon.” or “Oni aperigis, ke la generalo havas amaferon.”