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Bruso (顯示個人資料) 2012年11月27日下午9:23:02
However, Privat's "Vivo de Zamenhof" refers to "teŭtonaj kavaliroj", so it seems Esperanto historically could distinguish the words "German" and "Teutonic".
But not any more? Is there some reason "teŭtona" is no longer used (if it isn't)?
Chainy (顯示個人資料) 2012年11月27日下午11:04:25
Chainy (顯示個人資料) 2012年11月28日下午7:36:32
Teutonic = teŭtona, ĝermana
Teuton = teŭtono, ĝermano
Kirilo81 (顯示個人資料) 2012年11月29日上午9:29:03
In German, the Teutonic Order is called simply "Deutscher Orden" (German Order, where German may have its older meaning "Germanic").
So I would prefer if (NPIV) 1. was the only meaning of "teŭtona", with 2. and 3. beeing evitindaj - for 2. you can say "Germana Ordeno" (there's nothing Germanic with it) and for 3. simply "ĝermana".
pdenisowski (顯示個人資料) 2012年12月3日上午1:53:55
Bruso:The Esperanto Wikipedia translates "Teutonic Knights" as "Ordeno de Germanaj Kavaliroj". Lernu's Vortaro also translates English "Teutonic" simply as "Germana".Teutonic and Germanic are not the same thing at all. The Wikipedia entry title seems to be a straight translation of the German "Deutscher Ritterorden," which has all kinds of dubious historical baggage and Germanic chauvanism associated with it.
However, Privat's "Vivo de Zamenhof" refers to "teŭtonaj kavaliroj", so it seems Esperanto historically could distinguish the words "German" and "Teutonic".
But not any more? Is there some reason "teŭtona" is no longer used (if it isn't)?
[Aside : e.g. the Germans refer to Indo-European as Indo-Germanisch -- oddly enough this doesn't seem to have caught on among other peoples ...]
The name of the order in Latin was "Ordo Theutonicus" (hence Teuton in English).
Not a terribly common word, probably even in Zamenhof's time, although he certainly would have known Sienkiewicz's "Krzyżacy" in which this order plays a key role.
Amike,
Paul