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Simon Pure (프로필 보기) 2013년 2월 8일 오후 10:27:36
Kirilo81:Vikipedio uses viandhaketaĵo (link). Viandhaketaĵo seems to have made its way into most translators. A Google search will bring up a large number of hits.
Of course "ground meat" would be more logical in German, too, I think the name comes from a time when the meat was actually produced by hacking.
But E-o shouldn't have this germanism, I agree.
It is "viandmuelilo", not *viandhak(et)ilo, so why not muelviando?
It does seem odd that one makes haketaĵo with a muelilo. Logically muelviando or viandmueliaĵo make more sense. Muelviando will get hits here in the Lernu forums and Google though not as many as viandhaketaĵo.
Chainy (프로필 보기) 2013년 2월 9일 오후 12:23:25
Kirilo81:It is "viandmuelilo", not *viandhak(et)ilo, so why not muelviando?The dictionary of Sonja Kisa includes the word 'muelviando': Ground meat
At the moment, the Lernu dictionary (ENG-EO) contains:
minced meat = viandhaketaĵoMaybe we should change that to:
mince = haketi
minced/ground meat = muelita viando, muelviando; hakviando, viandhaketaĵo
mince = mueli, haketi
- the 'hak-' forms are certainly out there and quite widely used, so we probably shouldn't delete them from the dictionary. Adding the 'muel-' forms enables users to choose...
jkph00 (프로필 보기) 2013년 2월 13일 오후 2:26:20
sudanglo:Americans say ground meat for mince-meat. Well to grind is mueli not haketi.Just so. My wife's version of local recipes often includes "ground beast" in the ingredients.
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For me haketi is what some small carrion eater might do to the corpse of larger animal, or how some crazed dwarf might attack a normal adult with a small blade.
The word "mince" is very rarely used hereabouts. It is mostly passive vocabulary, understood but not used. When I was a boy my aunt sometimes made a "mincemeat pie" at Christmastime whose filling was a mixture of very finely ground meat, fruit and spices. It was, er, different.