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Simon Pure (Pokaż profil) 8 lutego 2013, 22:27:36
Kirilo81:Vikipedio uses viandhaketaĵo (link). Viandhaketaĵo seems to have made its way into most translators. A Google search will bring up a large number of hits.
Of course "ground meat" would be more logical in German, too, I think the name comes from a time when the meat was actually produced by hacking.
But E-o shouldn't have this germanism, I agree.
It is "viandmuelilo", not *viandhak(et)ilo, so why not muelviando?
It does seem odd that one makes haketaĵo with a muelilo. Logically muelviando or viandmueliaĵo make more sense. Muelviando will get hits here in the Lernu forums and Google though not as many as viandhaketaĵo.
sudanglo (Pokaż profil) 9 lutego 2013, 10:49:46
Chainy (Pokaż profil) 9 lutego 2013, 12:23:25
Kirilo81:It is "viandmuelilo", not *viandhak(et)ilo, so why not muelviando?The dictionary of Sonja Kisa includes the word 'muelviando': Ground meat
At the moment, the Lernu dictionary (ENG-EO) contains:
minced meat = viandhaketaĵoMaybe we should change that to:
mince = haketi
minced/ground meat = muelita viando, muelviando; hakviando, viandhaketaĵo
mince = mueli, haketi
- the 'hak-' forms are certainly out there and quite widely used, so we probably shouldn't delete them from the dictionary. Adding the 'muel-' forms enables users to choose...
sudanglo (Pokaż profil) 9 lutego 2013, 13:21:15
jkph00 (Pokaż profil) 13 lutego 2013, 14:26:20
sudanglo:Americans say ground meat for mince-meat. Well to grind is mueli not haketi.Just so. My wife's version of local recipes often includes "ground beast" in the ingredients.
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For me haketi is what some small carrion eater might do to the corpse of larger animal, or how some crazed dwarf might attack a normal adult with a small blade.
The word "mince" is very rarely used hereabouts. It is mostly passive vocabulary, understood but not used. When I was a boy my aunt sometimes made a "mincemeat pie" at Christmastime whose filling was a mixture of very finely ground meat, fruit and spices. It was, er, different.