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sudanglo (Mostrar perfil) 10 de marzo de 2013 10:31:26
Looking at the hits in Tekstaro it actually seems a bit tricky to judge which is the more common meaning though.But not if you also count all the multitudinous hit for tagmanĝo vespermanĝo matenmanĝo.
Ganove (Mostrar perfil) 10 de marzo de 2013 13:03:37
Some people might say homonyms causes misunderstandings but do they not also allow to play with the language, to give the language its uniqueness and characteristics and to speak between the lines?
Think of the word "persone", it can either be understood as "kiel persono" (=like a person) or "pere de sono" (=by means of sound).
So could not be "manĝo" a homonimo, too?
I was said that Esperanto tends to simplicity.
Would it not be simpler if "manĝ" just represents an idea and by adding further affixes one can specify this idea?
Then there would not be an word category at all.
But I guess there's a contradiction in this assymption, since it does not fit the use of "pura". So either this assumtpion is wrong or the interpretation of "pura". I guess the former is more likely.
Keep in mind, most of the languages are not logical, I guess there is a reason why they are not.
The problem is no one can confirm any assumption about Esperanto, due to the lack of a native speaker community.
But I am getting off the subject.
Anyway, one should learn the most common way of Esperanto and its most common words.
So if "manĝo"s most common meanings are food and the act of eating then one should keep in mind both of them.
hebda999 (Mostrar perfil) 10 de marzo de 2013 15:24:31
sudanglo:Which can also mean :Looking at the hits in Tekstaro it actually seems a bit tricky to judge which is the more common meaning though.But not if you also count all the multitudinous hit for tagmanĝo vespermanĝo matenmanĝo.
tagmanĝo = the act of eating during the day
vespermanĝo = the act of eating in the evening
...
How will you explain the following with tagmanĝo=food:
La tagmanĝo pasis
Post la tagmanĝo...
...antaŭ la tagmanĝo...
Dum la tagmanĝo...
...
This still doesn't prove anything. Such things make Esperanto more difficult than it needs to be. Because the meaning is not derived logically, but depends on usage.
sudanglo (Mostrar perfil) 10 de marzo de 2013 17:02:56
Which can also mean :Give me a sentence which demonstrates this.
tagmanĝo = the act of eating during the day
vespermanĝo = the act of eating in the evening
sudanglo (Mostrar perfil) 10 de marzo de 2013 17:04:38
The problem is no one can confirm any assumption about Esperanto, due to the lack of a native speaker communityLinguists' piffle.
Ganove (Mostrar perfil) 10 de marzo de 2013 18:38:10
sudanglo:Well, this is easily said but why do you think so?Ganove:The problem is no one can confirm any assumption about Esperanto, due to the lack of a native speaker communityLinguists' piffle.
RiotNrrd (Mostrar perfil) 10 de marzo de 2013 19:38:05
Ganove:The problem is no one can confirm any assumption about Esperanto...In theory, the Akademio can do exactly that. They are commonly held to be the final word on the subject.
hebda999 (Mostrar perfil) 10 de marzo de 2013 22:35:54
sudanglo:I already have:Which can also mean :Give me a sentence which demonstrates this.
tagmanĝo = the act of eating during the day
vespermanĝo = the act of eating in the evening
La tagmanĝo pasis
Post la tagmanĝo...
...antaŭ la tagmanĝo...
Dum la tagmanĝo...
...
These are actions which take time. Can't you see that? They are all from Tekstaro.
sudanglo (Mostrar perfil) 11 de marzo de 2013 11:27:10
hebda999 (Mostrar perfil) 11 de marzo de 2013 11:31:35
sudanglo:Not convincing Hebda. These look like examples where the idea is of a meal.Then how can you be "dum" a meal? These "antaŭ", "post"... are all about time. An action takes time. A meal takes a place.
From PIV:
"manĝo:
Ago manĝi nutraĵon pli-malpli arte pretigitan, je difinitaj horoj ĉiutage: matenmanĝo, tagmanĝo, vespermanĝo; kiaj estas la horoj de la manĝoj?; veni post la manĝoZ; ĝi estas mustardo post la manĝoZ; ✞ la sankta (M)manĝo (la lasta manĝo de Jesuo kun la disĉiploj, kiun la tradicio rilatigas kun eŭkaristio)."