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Evildela (User's profile) May 19, 2013, 10:33:58 AM
Aubright:If ever a child I spawn, I won't be teaching them Esperanto. The child will be her/his own person and certainly should decide for themselves what they wish to learn. No use foisting it upon them, so to speak.I never understand this perspective. If people really follow this route of logic, then we should let them choose if they want to learn how to spell, do maths, learn history etc... etc.. They are a child and if you have no other languages to teach them, then why not teach Esperanto? At least they'll get a better concept of languages. I for one will teach Esperanto way before English, because they will be immersed in English from the get go. That's if everything goes according to plan. My wife will be teaching Chinese, and with my studies of Chinese I plan to make this the home language.
pdenisowski (User's profile) May 19, 2013, 2:41:15 PM
Evildela:They are a child and if you have no other languages to teach them, then why not teach Esperanto? At least they'll get a better concept of languages.Agree completely. Esperanto is a wonderful introduction to "foreign" languages because it's very easy to learn and (dare I say it) fun. For this reason alone I would introduce Esperanto in elementary school -- not because it's particularly practical, but because it's a very non-intimidating way to introduce monolingual children to foreign language.
Amike,
Paul
alonsososo (User's profile) May 19, 2013, 8:25:47 PM
Aubright (User's profile) May 19, 2013, 8:32:47 PM
Say you love to play the guitar. Should your child learn to play the guitar simply because you enjoyed it when you were learning it? Who is to say whether they want that particular skill? Only you. And say you love God devoutly. Should your child, without full knowledge of the alternatives, learn to love your god? Now I am all for introducing children to certain things, but the choice to continue on and learn more must be their own, else all you end up with is your very own little project learning only that which you deem worthy / useful.
evanamd (User's profile) May 19, 2013, 10:30:12 PM
Aubright:Evildela teaching a child to read, write, do math, etc is essential to their development; Esperanto is not. Allow me to explain my position here.It could be argued that doing math or being literate is not essential to development, just as it could be argued that foreign language acquisition is so beneficial to development that it may as well be essential. I agree with alonsososo. Unless my future child has the opportunity for regular interactions with other Eo speakers, and not forced relations, then it's probably not worth teaching until much later in life.
Say you love to play the guitar. Should your child learn to play the guitar simply because you enjoyed it when you were learning it? Who is to say whether they want that particular skill? Only you. And say you love God devoutly. Should your child, without full knowledge of the alternatives, learn to love your god? Now I am all for introducing children to certain things, but the choice to continue on and learn more must be their own, else all you end up with is your very own little project learning only that which YOU deem worthy / useful.
J_Marc (User's profile) May 20, 2013, 3:43:30 AM
Aubright:Evildela teaching a child to read, write, do math, etc is essential to their development; Esperanto is not. Allow me to explain my position here.I think a dad teaching his kid how to play guitar is an excellent idea, a gift that will be used and enjoyed throughout life. It's best to start on teaching music early. Your thing about 'god' and so on is too ideological-sounding; 'freedom of the individual' and all that stuff. I've taught little kids a lot in my life, and in real life they are eager to learn pretty much anything, and having a passionate teacher helps a lot. Infano estas kvazaŭ spongo por informaĵo.
Say you love to play the guitar. Should your child learn to play the guitar simply because you enjoyed it when you were learning it? Who is to say whether they want that particular skill? Only you. And say you love God devoutly. Should your child, without full knowledge of the alternatives, learn to love your god?
However, guitar players are cool. Esperantists are, um... how can I say this? Not cool. Kids are aware of peer pressure and being an Esperantist might be a burden once the kid gets to adolescence. But for little kids, it should be no problem. Might even be more fun than they think, kind of like pig latin.
efilzeo (User's profile) May 20, 2013, 7:31:36 AM
Kirilo81 (User's profile) May 20, 2013, 1:08:09 PM
efilzeo:... Esperanto ... Teaching it to a kid would just be fun and totally effortless contrary to teaching the guitar, ...As I said, I talk to our exclusively in Esperanto, and unless you already master it very very very well it IS a huge effort to do so, if you want to use the proper words for all the things in the world and not just eh, tiu, hm, aĵo or some makeshift circumlocutions.
Here are some words I needed in the past few days and which are not the things you usually discuss about during UK or in Libera Folio: kluĉilo, okzalo, ŝenoprazo, spatelo, remorko, benjeto, intermita avertlumilo, tenajlo, slojdi, sultra.
I don't regret the way I chose and I don't want to dissuade anyone from doing so, but be aware that it is not a piece of cake and have a look at the literature on multilingual education (including the cases of native Esperanto).
bartlett22183 (User's profile) May 20, 2013, 4:57:18 PM
efilzeo (User's profile) May 20, 2013, 6:46:40 PM
Kirilo81:That's a good point, nevertheless he already learnt the language's core so that he just needs to add vocabs to his lexicon, right?efilzeo:... Esperanto ... Teaching it to a kid would just be fun and totally effortless contrary to teaching the guitar, ...As I said, I talk to our exclusively in Esperanto, and unless you already master it very very very well it IS a huge effort to do so, if you want to use the proper words for all the things in the world and not just eh, tiu, hm, aĵo or some makeshift circumlocutions.
Here are some words I needed in the past few days and which are not the things you usually discuss about during UK or in Libera Folio: kluĉilo, okzalo, ŝenoprazo, spatelo, remorko, benjeto, intermita avertlumilo, tenajlo, slojdi, sultra.
I don't regret the way I chose and I don't want to dissuade anyone from doing so, but be aware that it is not a piece of cake and have a look at the literature on multilingual education (including the cases of native Esperanto).