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Esperanto conversational connectors

viết bởi tomboyden, Ngày 28 tháng 8 năm 2013

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Altebrilas (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 21:52:27 Ngày 28 tháng 8 năm 2013

I don't think that telling there are errors in this page without specifying which ones is very useful.

These connectors are mainly used in a definite context and with appropriate intonation – I'm not sure that it would be understood the same way by people of different cultures. Here I try to translate them giving what seems to me the french and esperanto equivalent (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Anyway / en tout cas / ĉiel
"iel ajn" → no matter how / n'importe comment

well, as a matter of fact / eh bien en fait .../ "nu, fakte"

how can I put it? /comment dire ? / kiel diri ...?

now and then it seems to me that / J'ai parfois l'impression que.../ foje sxajnas al mi ke

after all / après tout / finfine (kun rezigna intonacio)

all joking aside / toute plaisanterie mise à part/ senŝerce

erinja (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 22:29:27 Ngày 28 tháng 8 năm 2013

I think the point is that the page has many errors, and while yes, we could go over every single one and discuss them in detail, the author of the page might do better to learn Esperanto first and see how many of his own errors he can catch (this is good practice), rather than having us do all of the work.

If it were one or two or five errors, sure, list them all and we can discuss them. But it's not really reasonable to go through them all.

But if you would like to go through them all you are surely welcome to do so.

Purrfecdizzo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 23:38:24 Ngày 28 tháng 8 năm 2013

RiotNrrd:Enthusiasm like this is great to see, but as you might have gathered from the subsequent posts, it may need to be redirected into learning the language first before you start trying to teach it.

There aren't just a few errors; the whole list needs serious overhauling. However, it definitely can serve as the seed for what could be a very useful page eventually. Right now, however, it is just a very misleading page, as it presents many incorrect phrases - some entirely nonsensical - as being correct in an authoritative manner. I would unpublish it for the time being, until it can be fully revised.

Give yourself time to learn the language. Esperanto is easy, for sure, but don't make the mistake of thinking it is easier than it actually is. There are many things that you have yet to learn. There are still things that *I* have yet to learn, and I've been at it eight years now.
I can relate with the enthusiasm.. The process is still a joy, and hasn't become a chore yet. There comes a point where the work is no longer fun and becomes tedious, but that is where I need to change it up sometimes... but I was thinking (not seriously) about improvements to the language (ha ha ha... like after 6 days, I understand enough to recommend improvements).. I was daydreaming about me, a few years from now, launching Esperanto 2.0!

Yeah, don't read too much into what I just said, and please don't take it seriously. It is my idea of a joke, but my point is that the enthusiasm and motivation is great, and I need to take advantage of it while it lasts.

tomboyden (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 21:20:19 Ngày 29 tháng 8 năm 2013

Thanks for all the replies, wasn't expecting this amount at all.

The honesty in everyone's answers is so greatly appreciated! I'm new to the language and attempting to learn while doing. I'm working my way through Lernu, TeachYourself and many other resources. My main goal is to speak it well, so I've been often times focusing on that aspect.

My grammar and overall understanding of the language needs tons of work, obviously. I've put minimal effort into the language compared to many, this is just the beginning for me, mi amas Esperanton!

This post was meant to show people conversational connectors and what you're able to do with them and less of a definitive guide that one should make Anki flashcards or use straight off the page in conversational settings.

The responses to the thread are exactly what I'm looking for! Making this list was a means to help me learn and the motivation from this thread will most definitely push me to revise and improve this list over time.

Like some have said, the corrections are appreciated, but I should be doing these on my own.

One thing I should have made clear on my post was a DISCLAIMER: this dude is an Esperanto noob ridulo.gif

Thanks for the positive replies and critiques!

Tom

Leke (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 18:43:55 Ngày 30 tháng 8 năm 2013

tomboyden:
Like some have said, the corrections are appreciated, but I should be doing these on my own.
The Amish man can build his own barn, but he still summons the community.

cFlat7 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 00:02:54 Ngày 03 tháng 9 năm 2013

If you have a copy of, "Esperanto, Learning and Using the International Language," by David Richardson, you'll find a good number of phrases for this very purpose on pages 248-251.

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