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(Possibles) correlectations between Lernu's examenes level and CEFR?

Uridium-ისა და 20 სექტემბერი, 2013-ის მიერ

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Uridium (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 20 სექტემბერი, 2013 23:13:25

CEFR is the European system for certificate the individuals levels of knowledge of different languages; the levels are, from lowest to the highest:
A-Base with sublevels A1 and A2;
B-Medium with sublevels B1 and B2;
C-Advanced with sublevels C1 and C2.

Now, as you certainly know, The three exams here in Lernu! are divides in baza, meza kaj alta; i imagine (just supposition) that these exams are maded from teachers or experts, and also that they follow rules of very Esperanto's exams for build them.

So, maybe exist a correlation between this (or another) language-skill classification?

Ex: maybe meza exam counts as a B-level of CEFR?

Sorry if im annoying you with this silly question: mine is just curiosity.

Gxis revido!

Cfail0814 (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 21 სექტემბერი, 2013 00:18:28

It would certainly be nice!

sudanglo (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 21 სექტემბერი, 2013 11:50:46

The whole problem with the Common European Reference Levels for grading language skills is that what may be difficult in a national language may be easy in Esperanto (or irrelevant) and vice versa.

Therefore grading in Esperanto requires different criteria to those applicable to command of national languages.

novatago (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 21 სექტემბერი, 2013 13:14:33

sudanglo:The whole problem with the Common European Reference Levels for grading language skills is that what may be difficult in a national language may be easy in Esperanto (or irrelevant) and vice versa.

Therefore grading in Esperanto requires different criteria to those applicable to command of national languages.
In fact you should take a look here: http://www.edukado.net/ekzamenoj/ker

I mean that even if you are right, the whole thing is ready since 2008, and a kind of official title (certainly official and valid if you are hungarian) from state university of Budapest is given if one pass the exam.

Ĝis, Novatago.

sudanglo (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 21 სექტემბერი, 2013 20:23:05

The fact that we have official recognition for Esperanto in terms of the Common European Reference is a brilliant propaganda achievement.

But it is a bit fraudulent intellectually.

You just can't apply some of the measures that are part of this assessment to Esperanto, and the implied path of progression from poor to high level command of a national language is not the same as the path recognized by the Esperantists themselves from komencanto to spertulo.

novatago (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 21 სექტემბერი, 2013 21:28:51

sudanglo:But it is a bit fraudulent intellectually.

You just can't apply some of the measures that are part of this assessment to Esperanto, and the implied path of progression from poor to high level command of a national language is not the same as the path recognized by the Esperantists themselves from komencanto to spertulo.
I can agree that the progress in learning Esperanto is very different than in learning any other european language but the question is: Do you really know the way they did it? Or are you talking just because Esperanto grammar is this way or that other way? I don't know if they had in their mind those differences (actually I can't imagine they don't) but perhaps they thought about that without compromise the rules of the European Reference. In fact they didn't prepared any A level exam and perhaps (probably) it's because in a european context (don't forget that this regulation is european) is just ridiculous to have an A level in Esperanto. In any case since there are levels of communication skills in esperanto, for sure is not a problem to find an equivalence to other regular lenguages.

Ĝis, Novatago.

erinja (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 22 სექტემბერი, 2013 00:29:34

lernu's exams do not correspond to KER (CEFR) levels - lernu's exams predate the existance of the Esperanto translation of the CEFR requirements by some years.

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