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sudanglo (Tunjukkan profil) 1 November 2013 12.00.47
cFlat7 (Tunjukkan profil) 5 November 2013 20.09.16
noelekim:Well done, I like the suggested tweaks.cFlat7:I suggest "rato" instead of "muso" for the rhyme, and "por" after "morto", so:
Eo: Ludo laŭ kato, sed morto laŭ muso.
Ludo laŭ kato, sed morto por rato.
cFlat7 (Tunjukkan profil) 5 November 2013 20.10.02
sudanglo:Kato sportas, muso mortas.This has a nice rhythm to it.
cFlat7 (Tunjukkan profil) 5 November 2013 20.13.39
En: Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Eo: Nenion provis, nenion profitis.
noelekim (Tunjukkan profil) 6 November 2013 02.45.10
cFlat7:Another one:The Proverbaro has:
En: Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Eo: Nenion provis, nenion profitis.
kiu ne riskas, tiu ne gajnas
Another version is:
kiu nenion hazardas, nenion gajnas
sudanglo (Tunjukkan profil) 6 November 2013 11.47.22
From my experience Esperantists rarely lard their speech with such, in marked contrast to what they might do in their denaskaj lingvoj. To have force and to be part of the linguistic armoury of the Esperanto speakers, such expressions have to be actually used. But Esperanto largely prefers to avoid the idiomatic and the fiksita parolturno.
Jen la tubero en la afero. (I'm not actually sure what that means)
Anyway, remember 'Kiu sin enjungas devas tiri'.
Clarence666 (Tunjukkan profil) 15 November 2013 06.27.28
noelekim (Tunjukkan profil) 16 November 2013 03.13.52
Clarence666:When in a hole, stop digging. holy holeMy suggestion:
Se estas en truo, ĉesu fosi.
falinte en foson, ne fosu plu
cFlat7 (Tunjukkan profil) 17 November 2013 03.01.09
sudanglo:Whilst it is an amusing game to invent snappy turns of phrase that might correspond to sayings in a national language, the facts are that such inventions are likely to remain mere inventions without currency."But Esperanto largely prefers to avoid the idiomatic and the fiksita parolturno."
From my experience Esperantists rarely lard their speech with such, in marked contrast to what they might do in their denaskaj lingvoj. To have force and to be part of the linguistic armoury of the Esperanto speakers, such expressions have to be actually used. But Esperanto largely prefers to avoid the idiomatic and the fiksita parolturno.
--> This is most probably because Esperanto speakers are typically not using the language as we use a national language, i.e. on a constant, daily basis. If you hear a snappy turn of phrase it can be quite memorable. Hearing it a few more times and it can become part of your linguistic "arsenal" and you might start using it yourself when the same occasion arises.
This reminds me of an incident when I was young lad in High School. One time a student arrived late and he muttered to his buddy as he slid into his seat, "Better late than never." The teacher obviously heard him recite this proverb and immediately responded for the whole class to hear, "...better yet, never late!"
I had never heard the teacher's turn-around before but it stuck in my head. Thereafter whenever I heard someone within ear shot say, "Better late than never", I'd chime in with "...better yet, never late!"
Eo: Pli bone malfrue, ol neniam... [Which I discovered is in the Proverbaro]
Eo: Eĉ pli bone, neniam malfrue.
cFlat7 (Tunjukkan profil) 17 November 2013 03.03.55
noelekim:Or perhaps:Clarence666:When in a hole, stop digging. holy holeMy suggestion:
Se estas en truo, ĉesu fosi.
falinte en foson, ne fosu plu
Eo: Kiam enfosiĝas, ne plu fosu.