erinja:I don't mean any disrespect with my vocabulary preference, but I do draw a distinction between someone who studied to become something and does it as their chosen profession, versus someone who does it on a limited basis, for a limited time.

Same I do, too. Btw, how to translate Helicopter parent and vigilance committee?

jismith1989:

orthohawk:If thee truly has "the highest respect for people who teach in home school" thee really should make sure ALL of thy words reflect this, not just the "disclaimer"

For what it's worth, if you want to speak Middle English, you'd use thou in all of those cases, not thee. Thou is used for the subject, thee as the object. Like he and him. Or vi/ci and vin/cin.

Once an English native speaker gave me a mnemonic that helped me never forget how it should be used: [thou, thee, thy, thine] parallels almost perfectly [I, me, my, mine] (same final sound in three out of four parallel forms). Not that I'm planning to ever address someone this way.

yyaann:

jismith1989:

orthohawk:If thee truly has "the highest respect for people who teach in home school" thee really should make sure ALL of thy words reflect this, not just the "disclaimer"

For what it's worth, if you want to speak Middle English, you'd use thou in all of those cases, not thee. Thou is used for the subject, thee as the object. Like he and him. Or vi/ci and vin/cin.

Once an English native speaker gave me a mnemonic that helped me never forget how it should be used: [thou, thee, thy, thine] parallels almost perfectly [I, me, my, mine] (same final sound in three out of four parallel forms). Not that I'm planning to ever address someone this way.

Yep. The only exception is that you'd use thine instead of thy before a vowel (again just for euphony), like 'thine eyes' (and Shakespeare and his contempories would have said 'mine eyes' as well).

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As for having to have studied for a profession in order to be an -isto, that seems like an unnecessarily élitist/middle-class definition. Anyway, I've think we've debated that pretty well now!

jismith1989:

orthohawk:
Well, thee may have tried.........

If thee truly has "the highest respect for people who teach in home school" thee really should make sure ALL of thy words reflect this, not just the "disclaimer"

For what it's worth, if you want to speak Middle English, you'd use thou in all of those cases, not thee. Thou is used for the subject, thee as the object. Like he and him. Or vi/ci and vin/cin.

But then you'd probably also have to conjugate the verbs a bit, like 'thou mayst' etc.

FTR it's not Middle English, it's Plain Speech. "Thee" is the subject AND object form (like "you" is the subject AND object form nowadays) and it goes with the third person, just as "you" goes with the (originally) third person form (the "proper" form ends in a -t). The days of the week are "Resurrection, Second Day, Third Day, Midweek, Fifth Day, Sixth Day, Sabbath" and the months are known by the numbers instead of the pagan names.

jismith1989:

As for having to have studied for a profession in order to be an -isto, that seems like an unnecessarily élitist/middle-class definition. Anyway, I've think we've debated that pretty well now!

Yes, and if that's the way it's "supposed" to be, then we better stop calling ourselves "Esperantists" and start using "esperantantoj" I don't know of many who use Esperanto as a profession.

erinja:

I don't appreciate your use of a disrespectful term for non-Jews. Incidentally, I was born a non-Jew, so yes, I have lots of friends who aren't Jewish, in addition to, uh, my ENTIRE FAMILY. Thanks.

Since when is "goy/goyim" disrespectful?? I'm 52 years old and have known Jews for 40-some of those 52 years and i've never heard that.

orthohawk:

jismith1989:

orthohawk:
Well, thee may have tried.........

If thee truly has "the highest respect for people who teach in home school" thee really should make sure ALL of thy words reflect this, not just the "disclaimer"

For what it's worth, if you want to speak Middle English, you'd use thou in all of those cases, not thee. Thou is used for the subject, thee as the object. Like he and him. Or vi/ci and vin/cin.

But then you'd probably also have to conjugate the verbs a bit, like 'thou mayst' etc.

FTR it's not Middle English, it's Plain Speech. "Thee" is the subject AND object form (like "you" is the subject AND object form nowadays) and it goes with the third person, just as "you" goes with the (originally) third person form (the "proper" form ends in a -t). The days of the week are "Resurrection, Second Day, Third Day, Midweek, Fifth Day, Sixth Day, Sabbath" and the months are known by the numbers instead of the pagan names.

Oh, I see. Religious writing does tend to preserve some of the oldest forms in most languages (e.g. the continued use of Latin and Sanskrit in Catholic and Hindu services respectively). Christian teachings have obviously spread all around the world too, which is why linguists/philologists have traditionally used the Lord's Prayer (Pater Noster) to introduce/compare languages (like here).

I get the idea there is something else going on here. For the record, as a homeschooler, I didn't think that erinja's comment was disrespectful at all, it was just discussing meanings.

I will go with ist because in my opinion it fits. I don't think the suggestion to not use ist was disrespectful, I just don't agree it fits.

Forums. Whatcha gonna do, right? Carry on

orthohawk:I'm 52 years old and have known Jews for 40-some of those 52 years and i've never heard that.

That your personal experiences does not make something universally valid, isn't?

If I can add one last thing to our little debate, how do we explain bugristo?