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Is the Esperanto community really accepting of people who are different??

de AlanLadd13, 2013-decembro-06

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Benjamino (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-08 18:32:55

"tukhus handed to you by the cabal not to mention mocked and treated as a pariah"

Is this a parody?

orthohawk (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-08 19:28:45

Benjamino:"tukhus handed to you by the cabal not to mention mocked and treated as a pariah"

Is this a parody?
why would thee think it a parody? that's exactly what has happened to me in the past over trivial matters, matters which do no harm to anyone, and which do not infringe on anyone's rights.

Benjamino (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-08 19:32:52

Why did you just call me "thee"? What's your religious reason for saying "thee"? (Especially in the nominative?)

In Ancient Hebrew there was no informal second person singular pronoun. Nor was there an informal second person singular pronoun in Ancient Greek. So no one in the Bible ever said "thee" except in translation. You don't have to worry! It might have made a lot of sense at one time to someone, but it doesn't anymore. I'm not trying to be offensive, just helpful.

orthohawk (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-08 19:46:48

Benjamino:Why did you just call me "thee"?
Why does it matter? Is it illegal?

Benjamino: What's your religious reason for saying "thee"?
My business.

Bemjamino: (Especially in the nominative?)
What is THY reason for using the objective "you" as a nominative?

Benjamino:In Ancient Hebrew there was no informal second person singular pronoun. Nor was there an informal second person singular pronoun in Ancient Greek. So no one in the Bible ever said "thee" except in translation. You don't have to worry! It might have made a lot of sense at one time to someone, but it doesn't anymore.
Just because it doesn't make sense to THEE, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to everyone. There are those to whom it makes a great deal of sense.
The AH and AG lexical equivalents of thou/thee/thy/thine were used and are properly translated using the equivalent English pronouns.

RiotNrrd (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-08 19:58:27

You can see the history in the ci vs vi thread.

I know it's 13 pages long, but I'd start at the beginning.

Benjamino (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-08 19:58:53

(moved to other thread)

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-08 20:01:52

Sorry, I know this thread is already off-topic, but I just want to nip this particular diversion in the bud. If you want to keep discussing ci versus vi, please continue in the other thread that was already mentioned (you can post a link in this thread to the other thread and I won't delete existing messages, but please let's try to keep these threads on-topic as much as possible).

jismith1989 (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-08 20:05:27

RiotNrrd:You can see the history in the ci vs vi thread.

I know it's 13 pages long, but I'd start at the beginning.
I started at the end. And finished there. ridego.gif

And yes, this will be my last off-topic post now!

sudanglo (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-08 22:26:10

I don't see how it follows that a language needs to achieve absolute world domination in order to justify its body of literature, either translated or original
La fina venko is not world domination (absolute or otherwise). It is the widespread recognition of Esperanto as a rational and practical solution to the tower of babel problem, and a massive boost in the number of speakers.

And, by the way, you would not be able to enjoy the luxury of a hobbyist/raumist position without the history of the efforts and dedication of the finvenkistoj.

As to what the effects will be precisely of the advances in machine translation it is difficult to say. But given the decline in foreign language learning that is likely to follow, it might just strengthen Esperanto's position.

No doubt the finvenkistoj will try to insure that Esperanto is one of the language choices on the pocket translators.

kaŝperanto (Montri la profilon) 2013-decembro-09 15:56:51

AlanLadd13:I had been wanting to learn this language because not only have I always wanted to travel and learn about other cultures but I heard that the people in the Esperanto community were really friendly accepting of people who are different. I have read some posts here where Esperanto speakers say that there are "weirdos" and "freaks" at the Esperanto meetup events that are viewed as eccentric and although "tolerated" they are usually avoided.
I suffer from bad social anxiety disorder and I am socially awkward because of it. I also get picked on and teased by other students at school for it and have a hard time making friends. I was wondering if other Esperanto speakers would label me a weirdo and freak because of my anxiety disorder and avoid me?
I was initially positive about learning this language but after reading about how some people viewed the awkward people at the meetups I'm not so sure because I know I will definitely be awkward at first because of my condition.
honest opinions of how I would be viewed at a meet up because of this would be appreciated.
Thank You
Welcome aboard! I quoted your original post because I almost forgot exactly what the subject was due to all of the off-topic discussions going on. okulumo.gif

I have never been to an esperanto meeting myself (quite hard to find one in the Midwest, or US in general if you're not in a big city), so I can't comment from experience. I have been participating in the forums for a while, though, and I must agree that "people are people". They will be more diverse people, but people nonetheless. I will say I have seen much more acceptance from Esperantists than from any other group of people, though. There are a few bad eggs, but that's nothing to forsake the language over.

As for your social condition, I would guess that most of it might at first appear to be a simple lack of knowledge/experience in the language (so you might actually appear to be 'normal', whatever that means). I also wonder if conversing in a foreign language might itself be a form of therapy, as I've seen people who could hardly talk due to impediments who could sing better than most people. I've read that that is more due to the layout of our brains, though.

To help your anxiety, I highly recommend studying philosophy, particularly the Stoic philosophy, as the Stoics were much more concerned with how to actually put it to use to improve their lives.
I was going to just put one of my favourite quotes by the Stoic philosopher Epictetus (“Man is not worried by real problems so much as by his imagined anxieties about real problems” ), but all of these were so good I thought I'd just post a link.

Awesome Quotes

We are all weird, because nobody's normal. I would fear being called normal about as much as being called anything.

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