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BoriQa (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 00:52:13
Are these correct:
iom metroj
iom da metro
iuj metroj
kelkaj metroj
How are they different?
Danke!
Rejsi (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 03:09:20
BoriQa:iom metrojI believe the correct form here is iom da metroj. Either way, your first option is definitely wrong.
iom da metro
Whenever you have an adverb and are using it to sort of "modify the noun," you need the word "da." Think of it as saying "I have some of the pancakes."
iuj metrojGenerally, the word "iu(j)" doesn't modify a noun. It tends to stand by itself to mean "someone" or "something." According to PMEG, it can and seems to be similar to "unu" or "kelkaj," but it is not common usage.
kelkaj metrojThis is good. A similar phrase is kelke da metroj, but yours is more common.
How are they different?This is more difficult to address. Many will say there are subtle nuances between the two (one may stress a bit of a smaller amount or something along those lines), but I think you'd be fine using them interchangeably. Does a more advanced speaker want to tell us what they think?
BoriQa (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 03:17:12
It makes more sense now.
morfran (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 04:20:17
iomaj metroj = a few meters
iom da metroj = some metrage
iuj metroj = certain meters
kelkaj metroj = some (of the total) meters
kelke da metroj = some (of the total) metrage
Rejsi (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 05:04:44
morfran:Iom is “some, but not much/many”; iu is “certain individuals of a group”; kelka is “some, but not much/many of a whole”, so:How did you draw these conclusions?
iomaj metroj = a few meters
iom da metroj = some metrage
kelkaj metroj = some (of the total) meters
kelke da metroj = some (of the total) metrage
nornen (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 05:27:29
Rejsi:Whenever you have an adverb and are using it to sort of "modify the noun," you need the word "da."This, in general, is not correct. Adverbs can indeed modify nouns.
For adverb(ial)s of quantity, grade, or measure, your statement might be correct.
morfran (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 05:43:20
Rejsi:How did you draw these conclusions?A combination of the PIV and the Millidge dictionary.
PIV:Iu alludes to the individuality of a person or thing as vs. the whole of others of the same type
Iom: an indefinite, but most often small amount or number
Kelka: an indefinite quantity of a whole
Millidge:Iu: some one, somebody, some person, some, anyone; marks individualityUnfortunately, I forgot to edit out the “but not much/many” part from kelka, which I had just copied/pasted from my explanation of iom. My bad.
Iom: some, a little, somewhat, rather
Kelka: some, a little
BoriQa (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 11:31:35
nornen:Nornen, can you give me an example of an Adverb modifying a noun? Thanks.Rejsi:Whenever you have an adverb and are using it to sort of "modify the noun," you need the word "da."This, in general, is not correct. Adverbs can indeed modify nouns.
For adverb(ial)s of quantity, grade, or measure, your statement might be correct.
nornen (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 15:02:51
BoriQa:Thanks everybody!The tree over there is an oak.
nornen:Nornen, can you give me an example of an Adverb modifying a noun? Thanks.Rejsi:Whenever you have an adverb and are using it to sort of "modify the noun," you need the word "da."This, in general, is not correct. Adverbs can indeed modify nouns.
For adverb(ial)s of quantity, grade, or measure, your statement might be correct.
bartlett22183 (Pokaż profil) 24 maja 2014, 17:44:34
nornen:BoriQa:Thanks everybody!Nornen, can you give me an example of an Adverb modifying a noun? Thanks.
This, in general, is not correct. Adverbs can indeed modify nouns.
For adverb(ial)s of quantity, grade, or measure, your statement might be correct.
The tree over there is an oak.Not quite. "Over there" in this instance is an idiomatic prepositional phrase (where "there" is acting as an idiomatic demonstrative pronoun and can be the object of a preposition), and in English, at least, prepositional phrases can act as adjectives to modify a noun. I would be interested in what the expert Esperantists have to say on such a matter.