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Translation help - How to say "dirty" in a moral sense?

של Christa627, 18 ביוני 2014

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שפה: English

robbkvasnak (הצגת פרופיל) 2 ביולי 2014, 21:37:09

In the context "I'll make it my way" is unpragmatic for English speakers. The correct reading would be "I'll do it my way" since, as Erinja points out, there is no previous mention of something being made or to be made but rather to be done.

Christa627 (הצגת פרופיל) 22 ביולי 2014, 19:10:32

OK, the changes have been applied now. Here is the link: http://chick.com/reading/tracts/1370/1370_01.asp. I did notice that there are a few punctuation issues; if you notice any other glaring problems please let me know! Thank you again for all your help!

RiotNrrd (הצגת פרופיל) 22 ביולי 2014, 21:36:55

"To make it" is a colloquial way of saying "to be successful", "attain a goal", or even just "to survive".

For those old enough to remember (and were in a country that showed it), the chorus to the theme song of the "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" was "you're gonna make it after all".

"He tried to jump from one roof to another..."
"Did he make it?"
"Nope. Broke his leg."

"If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, New York, New York".

I would not translate it literally into Esperanto.

erinja (הצגת פרופיל) 22 ביולי 2014, 22:08:58

Wow. You know, of course I'm familiar with the phrase "to make it". Make it in business, etc. But "I'll make it my way" just didn't call to mind that meaning of "make it" at all. It suddenly makes much more sense now that you mention this meaning.

Christa627 (הצגת פרופיל) 24 ביולי 2014, 22:13:28

Yes, but what about the tract? I would like some more experienced opinion.

morfran (הצגת פרופיל) 25 ביולי 2014, 01:18:29

Christa627:Yes, but what about the tract? I would like some more experienced opinion.
A few minor things I would have done differently:

Li estis viro BONA!
(emphatic adjectives often come after the noun)

Kio okazas? Momenton! Mi mortis! Estas la fino!
("mi estas mortinto, estas la fino" sort of sounds like he's both a corpse and the end)

Mi vivis VIVON TRE BONAN! Mi faris same kiel ĉiuj!
(emphatic word placement; typo with samkiel?)

If by flustranto you mean "gossiper", klaĉemulo might be a better word.

MOMENTON! Rigardu ...

Mi iros laŭ vojo mia! or Mi prosperos miamaniere!

Flanke, li estas unu el niaj plej bonaj laborantoj, kaj ankaŭ vera Kristano.
(ankaŭ comes before the thing it emphasizes, unless that thing is a personal pronoun.)

That's pretty much it. ridulo.gif

Christa627 (הצגת פרופיל) 25 ביולי 2014, 21:20:42

Thank you. As has been before mentioned, this project was an edit of a previously "translated" tract. The translation was so error-ridden that I felt that someone should do something about it, so I contacted Chick and offered to help them out. I am not the most qualified person for the job, but it didn't seem likely that anyone else would do it.

So my focus was mostly on grammatical errors; some of the things you mentioned are things that were already that way and I didn't bother to change because it wasn't a misplaced accusative or something. But I do want it to sound natural, not like it was written by some English-speaker with a dictionary and some rudimentary grammar ridulo.gif. I'll implement some of your suggestions, while I'm at correcting the punctuation.

Anyone have any more input? I'll take all the suggestions I can get ridego.gif.

morfran (הצגת פרופיל) 25 ביולי 2014, 22:26:51

Oh, in case this wasn't brought up earlier, the biblical quotes appear to be taken from a translation by the Brita kaj Alilanda Biblia Societo, so there's that peace of mind in case you were concerned. (In truth, I only checked the first quote and skipped the rest.)

Christa627 (הצגת פרופיל) 26 ביולי 2014, 20:50:55

morfran:Oh, in case this wasn't brought up earlier, the biblical quotes appear to be taken from a translation by the Brita kaj Alilanda Biblia Societo, so there's that peace of mind in case you were concerned. (In truth, I only checked the first quote and skipped the rest.)
Yeah, I actually checked that. This tract has the verses taken from that translation. But some of the others are evidently translated directly from the original English tracts, which use the KJV. When I do more of them I want to switch them to the aforementioned translation, since it is a translation that one can actually get in book form or online; you're not likely to find a complete Esperanto Bible anywhere that is translated straight from the KJV by who-knows-who ridulo.gif! Although Chick might prefer it that way; they are all KJV-onlyists over there!

But I can't help wondering, who translated these in the first place anyway? Different ways of treating Biblical quotes indicates different translators, but I would think that in that case someone could do better than that! Some, as I said, are better than others; I think I will look and see if there is any relation between the Bible translation used and the quality of the tract translation. (Pardon my rambling...)

erinja (הצגת פרופיל) 27 ביולי 2014, 15:00:10

I don't quite understand the KJV issue. I have been told in the past that some Christians believe that the KJV is the only "correct" English translation of the Bible. But does that mean that people who speak other languages are somehow hellbound because their, say, Croatian translation wasn't done from KJV, but from the original texts? What if you are a very educated person who is able to read the texts in the original languages?

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