johmue:

orthohawk:Oh, great! Let's alienate even MORE of the mainstream population by inviting even MORE crackpots and stranguloj into Esperantujo!

So polyamorous people are crackpots to you?

MY opinion isn't what the problem is. it's the opinion of mainstreamists, who most definitely consider poly's to be crackpots and stranguloj.......

orthohawk:

johmue:

orthohawk:Oh, great! Let's alienate even MORE of the mainstream population by inviting even MORE crackpots and stranguloj into Esperantujo!

So polyamorous people are crackpots to you?

MY opinion isn't what the problem is. it's the opinion of mainstreamists, who most definitely consider poly's to be crackpots and stranguloj.......

I actually would like this kind of close minded people to stay away from Esperantujo. So I am fine with inviting polys, LGBTs and other of mainstream people to Esperantujo. On the one hand it makes the whole movement more diverse and more interesting. If it keeps close minded people, who consider people of different lifestyles crackpots, out of the movement, no problem to me.

If you're a crackpot or a strangulo, sit down next to me and let's chat.

I think a large number of people, both hetero and homosexual, are polyamorous without being honest about it. So it is quite a 'mainstream' activity.

mjdh1957:I think a large number of people, both hetero and homosexual, are polyamorous without being honest about it. So it is quite a 'mainstream' activity.

To me honesty and consent are crucial features or polyamory. If you're not honest, it's not polyamory but monogamy with cheating, which is indeed probably quite mainstreamish.

I guess it also depends on what you mean about being vocal about something. Johmue, we've met at a number of Esperanto events and I wasn't aware you were polyamorous, yet you self-identify as "vocal" about it. That should probably say something to anyone who is wondering whether this kind of thing is overwhelmingly visible in Esperanto. Namely - these things come up when they come up, but no one is wearing a badge that says "polyamorous", nor is anyone handing out pamphlets pressuring anyone else to do something they don't want to do. If you're into that sort of thing, surely it's easy to meet others who are as well, and if you aren't into that sort of thing, then you can simply not worry about it, and though it might come up in passing, it won't be a big part of your Esperanto life.

Esperanto is generally pretty welcoming of people who do life differently than the mainstream. The big difference between an Esperanto speaker who is normal and the "stranguloj" is really not their lifestyle choices -- honestly it's their social skills. The Esperanto speakers who leave you with stories to tell friends later are not the vegans or the gays or the polyamorists or the ones who believe in the health benefits of the all-air diet. Instead it's the person who follows you everywhere, the person who won't leave you alone about their political opinions (which may be mainstream!), the person who feels they have to accost every person on the street about Esperanto, etc. There are few people in Esperanto that I'd consider crackpots but these people also fall on the spectrum of poor social skills, rather than simply beliefs I find crazy or offensive (I am actually pretty friendly with some Esperantists whose beliefs I find crazy and/or offensive - I simply avoid those topics with those friends).

johmue:

orthohawk:

johmue:

orthohawk:Oh, great! Let's alienate even MORE of the mainstream population by inviting even MORE crackpots and stranguloj into Esperantujo!

So polyamorous people are crackpots to you?

MY opinion isn't what the problem is. it's the opinion of mainstreamists, who most definitely consider poly's to be crackpots and stranguloj.......

I actually would like this kind of close minded people to stay away from Esperantujo. So I am fine with inviting polys, LGBTs and other of mainstream people to Esperantujo. On the one hand it makes the whole movement more diverse and more interesting. If it keeps close minded people, who consider people of different lifestyles crackpots, out of the movement, no problem to me.

oh, and that attitude isn't close minded at all!

orthohawk:oh, and that attitude isn't close minded at all!

I don't see that it is, actually.

erinja:Namely - these things come up when they come up, but no one is wearing a badge that says "polyamorous", nor is anyone handing out pamphlets pressuring anyone else to do something they don't want to do.

There are people wearing polyamory badges on JES. Maybe that does not suffice to call it "vocal" because on JES they are handing out tiny thumbnail sized sticker badges about all kinds of stuff to put on your name badge. Among them is one for Polyamory and also for LGBT but also many others like Musician, Scientist, Raumist, etc.

It also became quite common to have discussion groups about Polyamory on Eo-events. Actually I thought the topic is already outdated, but then somebody asked me to lead such a discussion group on IJK last year.

Esperanto is generally pretty welcoming of people who do life differently than the mainstream. The big difference between an Esperanto speaker who is normal and the "stranguloj" is really not their lifestyle choices -- honestly it's their social skills.

I am totally with you there. But orthohawk phrased it, as if polyamorists by themselfs are crackpots to him.

johmue:

orthohawk:oh, and that attitude isn't close minded at all!

I don't see that it is, actually.

of course, thee doesn't
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