Conditional Help
Foreigner,2014年7月9日の
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nornen (プロフィールを表示) 2014年7月11日 16:57:47
how would you translate the following quotes into English?
LLZ:En la nokto la hundo venis denove, prenis la reĝidinon sur sian dorson kaj kuris kun ŝi al la soldato, kiu ŝin tre forte amis kaj tre dezirus esti princo, por povi edziĝi kun ŝi.
Sed ŝi ne povis al si permesi sin levi, ĉar per tio ŝi vekus la gepatrojn.
sudanglo (プロフィールを表示) 2014年7月12日 9:47:36
nornen:Dear native speakers,The dog came again in the night and with the princess on its back they raced off together to the soldier who was so in love with her and who would have very much liked to have been a prince so he might marry her.
how would you translate the following quotes into English?
LLZ:En la nokto la hundo venis denove, prenis la reĝidinon sur sian dorson kaj kuris kun ŝi al la soldato, kiu ŝin tre forte amis kaj tre dezirus esti princo, por povi edziĝi kun ŝi.
Sed ŝi ne povis al si permesi sin levi, ĉar per tio ŝi vekus la gepatrojn.
The next sentence doesn't fit with the first. The next sentence seems to imply no night-time excursions.
But she couldn't allow herself to get up because that would wake (would have woken) her parents
Edit: What point are you trying to make here Nornen?
Rugxdoma (プロフィールを表示) 2014年7月12日 12:56:30
sudanglo:There is some mistake in the translation. Here is one English translation, which I found on the web, perhaps a direct one from the Danish original of "The Tinderbox".nornen:Dear native speakers,The dog came again in the night and rode with her on its back to the soldier that she was so in love with and who would have very much liked to have been a prince so he might marry her.
how would you translate the following quotes into English?
LLZ:En la nokto la hundo venis denove, prenis la reĝidinon sur sian dorson kaj kuris kun ŝi al la soldato, kiu ŝin tre forte amis kaj tre dezirus esti princo, por povi edziĝi kun ŝi.
Sed ŝi ne povis al si permesi sin levi, ĉar per tio ŝi vekus la gepatrojn.
During the night, the dog came again and carried the princess on his back, and ran with her to the soldier, who loved her very much, and wished that he had been a prince, so that he might have her for a wife.
sudanglo (プロフィールを表示) 2014年7月12日 14:56:43
I was concentrating on the two conditionals in the Esperanto version (as this is what this thread is about), and wondering what Nornen's argument was going to be.
sergejm (プロフィールを表示) 2014年7月12日 15:36:12
I would use "deziris" in Esperanto and translate it to "wished" in English. In fact, "esti princo" and "povi edziĝi kun ŝi" need conditionals, not "deziri".
DuckFiasco (プロフィールを表示) 2014年7月12日 23:30:54
"deziris" would be good here too, though.
"esti princo" directly follows a conjugated verb, so the infinitive is needed. "povi" follows "por" with the same subject as the clause (soldato), so the infinitive is needed here also.
nornen (プロフィールを表示) 2014年7月13日 5:51:56
sudanglo:Edit: What point are you trying to make here Nornen?No point at all. I was just trying to understand the usage of the conditional in English.
Ultimately, I would like to understand, where the confustion about -us of many English speakers comes from. The urge to imitate "would have" in Esperanto and the difficulty to accept that there is no past conditional in Eo, and that "mi estus farinta" has about as much in common with "I would have done" as a green pear with a red apple.
sergejm (プロフィールを表示) 2014年7月13日 7:29:51
nornen:The urge to imitate "would have" in Esperanto and the difficulty to accept that there is no past conditional in Eo, and that "mi estus farinta" has about as much in common with "I would have done" as a green pear with a red apple.There is no need imitate English complex times in Esperanto.
For example, instead of "Mi estus farinta" you can speak "Mi jam farus" (= "I would have done already" ).
But future participle can be more useful: "Mi estus faronta" = "Mi estus preta fari" = "I would be ready to do".