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Esperanto dog trick vocabulary

של AmericanBull, 1 באוגוסט 2014

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שפה: English

AmericanBull (הצגת פרופיל) 1 באוגוסט 2014, 21:01:55

I'm currently teaching myself Esperanto, and also working with my new dog in teaching him basic commands. I read that when choosing words to be associated with tricks, it's best to not choose words that sound similar, such as "bow" and "down". I'm anticipating the instruction of "down" > "malsupren", since it uses the mal prefix, will make it awkward if I decide to teach the command "up" > "supren".

So my question is this, what would be the options for sit, stay, down, heel, and come, not using polysyllabic words and that don't use negation affixes?

Rejsi (הצגת פרופיל) 1 באוגוסט 2014, 21:28:28

I would highly recommend against the usage of anything with "mal" in it. It may be too confusing...unless you perhaps accent the wrong part of the word.

For "up," I'm assuming you want the dog to stand? If so, what about "staru?"

And what do you mean about not using polysyllabic words? Every verb in Esperanto is polysyllabic. But I suppose since you're talking to a dog and not just having a conversation, you could cut off the final syllable. So say "star'" instead of "staru." It is grammatically incorrect, but it doesn't really have to be in this case.

stand/get up - star'
sit - sid'
lay - kuŝ' (yes, I am aware this is the transitive form...it doesn't really matter)
down - suben (or maybe even "sub" if you aren't entirely keen on the exact meaning)
come - ven'
heel - marŝ'

They all seem very different from each other with the exception of stand/sit.

AmericanBull (הצגת פרופיל) 1 באוגוסט 2014, 21:49:44

My apologies for not being clear on the polysyllabic meaning. In mathematics, we have monomials, binomials, trinomials, and then we generally refer to anything above that as polynomials, albeit trinomials are a type of polynomial. I was intending for the words to be either one or two syllables.

Also, now that I think about it. Take "stand">"staru" for example. Since I'm still new and learning, I'm not familiar with the -u suffix. Would staras or stari be more/less appropriate than staru?

Rejsi (הצגת פרופיל) 1 באוגוסט 2014, 21:56:36

Ah ok. Polysyllabic just refers to having more than one syllable.

But I really think you could make every command monosyllabic if you aren't particularly concerned about being grammatically correct. It may work a lot better that way.

Christa627 (הצגת פרופיל) 1 באוגוסט 2014, 22:14:32

AmericanBull:My apologies for not being clear on the polysyllabic meaning. In mathematics, we have monomials, binomials, trinomials, and then we generally refer to anything above that as polynomials, albeit trinomials are a type of polynomial. I was intending for the words to be either one or two syllables.

Also, now that I think about it. Take "stand">"staru" for example. Since I'm still new and learning, I'm not familiar with the -u suffix. Would staras or stari be more/less appropriate than staru?
"-u" is the imperative/volitive ending. So saying "staru" is telling someone, in this case the dog, to stand. If the subject is not said it is assumed to be "you," that is, whoever you are talking to. It is also used with other subjects, for example, "Longe vivu Esperanto!" ("Long live Esperanto" "Esperanto should live long" ). "Mi volas, ke iu faru por mi sandvicxon." ("I want someone to make me a sandwich," "I want, that someone should make me a sandwich" ). Basically, if there is the idea of "should" you use "-u."

sudanglo (הצגת פרופיל) 2 באוגוסט 2014, 11:11:54

sit - seĝ'
Wouldn't sidu be better? A very intelligent dog might think seĝ' is a command to join you on the sofa.

By the way restu for stay.

For up and down, how about grimpu/saltu and suben

sergejm (הצגת פרופיל) 2 באוגוסט 2014, 12:54:10

There is no need to use -u, -i nor ' . You can use interjections.
Sid! Halt! Rest! Salt! Grimp! Kuŝ! Star! Sub!
But don't think it's good to teach a dog Esperanto. Can it distingish English and Esperanto commands?

Rujo (הצגת פרופיל) 2 באוגוסט 2014, 13:58:07

sergejm:There is no need to use -u, -i nor ' . You can use interjections.
Sid! Halt! Rest! Salt! Grimp! Kuŝ! Star! Sub!
But don't think it's good to teach a dog Esperanto. Can it distingish English and Esperanto commands?
I partially agree with you. But, the person may have a little child who learns Esperanto that would command the dog using simple words in Esperanto (sorry for my english).

sergejm (הצגת פרופיל) 2 באוגוסט 2014, 15:38:14

It would be interesting, do a dog can understand comand Mal!, e.g. Malboj! - as I think, it is the most needed command.

makis (הצגת פרופיל) 3 באוגוסט 2014, 01:55:25

sergejm:But don't think it's good to teach a dog Esperanto. Can it distingish English and Esperanto commands?
While they can be morons, they aren't dumb. lango.gif My dogs know commands in english, sign language/hand signals and they used to know some Esperanto commands but I never really kept up with it. I never got past venu and sidu.

But I would probably use venu, sidu, staru, piedo, and boju.

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