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Taal: English
Alkanadi (Profiel tonen) 11 augustus 2014 08:14:12
Is this right: Mi amas mian proksimulo katon
sergejm (Profiel tonen) 11 augustus 2014 08:35:35
Alkanadi:How would I translate this: I love my neighbor's catThis is not right. 's is translated by de:
Is this right: Mi amas mian proksimulo katon
Mi ŝatas la katon de mia najbaro.
ami usually relates a woman or a man, but nevertheless you can say Mi amas la katon.
Mi ŝatas la najbaran katon. means the cat lives in the neighborhood.
Mi amas mian najbaron kaj ties katon. I love my neighbor and his/her cat.
ties is gender indifferent.
Rejsi (Profiel tonen) 11 augustus 2014 09:45:17
sergejm:Mi amas mian najbaron kaj ties katon. I love my neighbor and his/her cat.Why did you not use "sian" instead of "ties?"
ties is gender indifferent.
sergejm (Profiel tonen) 11 augustus 2014 10:27:25
Rejsi:You can't use sian in this case. sia relates to the subject, i. e. mi, but sia can't relate to mi, in the case mia is to be used. This is not that you want.sergejm:Mi amas mian najbaron kaj ties katon. I love my neighbor and his/her cat.Why did you not use "sian" instead of "ties?"
ties is gender indifferent.
You can use lian or ŝian, but in this case you indicate gender.
Compare:
S-ro X amas sian najbaron kaj ties katon. The cat is of the neighbor.
S-ro X amas sian najbaron kaj sian katon. The cat is of mr X.
PS: if you want save English word order of Alkanadi's sentence, you can say:
Mi amas de mia najbaro propran katon
jchthys (Profiel tonen) 11 augustus 2014 13:26:42
sergejm:PS: if you want save English word order of Alkanadi's sentence, you can say:Everything else you've written makes sense, but I don't think the above sentence is grammatical.
Mi amas de mia najbaro propran katon
Rugxdoma (Profiel tonen) 11 augustus 2014 14:08:39
jchthys:At least, the result is so strange, that the conclusion is: Don't save the English word order. Get used to the fact that Esperanto puts the owner after the owned thing, with "de" in between, while English puts it before the owned thing, with 's between them.sergejm:PS: if you want save English word order of Alkanadi's sentence, you can say:Everything else you've written makes sense, but I don't think the above sentence is grammatical.
Mi amas de mia najbaro propran katon
sergejm (Profiel tonen) 11 augustus 2014 14:11:23
jchthys:May be, I was wrong.sergejm:Mi amas de mia najbaro propran katonEverything else you've written makes sense, but I don't think the above sentence is grammatical.
Mi vidas de mia najbaro propran katon
They can understand it so:
I see my own cat from my neighbor's house.
Rejsi (Profiel tonen) 12 augustus 2014 02:27:34
sergejm:Whoops, I knew this before! I blame sleep-deprivation.Rejsi:You can't use sian in this case. sia relates to the subject, i. e. mi, but sia can't relate to mi, in the case mia is to be used. This is not that you want.sergejm:Mi amas mian najbaron kaj ties katon. I love my neighbor and his/her cat.Why did you not use "sian" instead of "ties?"
ties is gender indifferent.
You can use lian or ŝian, but in this case you indicate gender.
Compare:
S-ro X amas sian najbaron kaj ties katon. The cat is of the neighbor.
S-ro X amas sian najbaron kaj sian katon. The cat is of mr X.
PS: if you want save English word order of Alkanadi's sentence, you can say:
Mi amas de mia najbaro propran katon
Kyu (Profiel tonen) 12 augustus 2014 04:29:37
sergejm:Would make more sense to me if one saidjchthys:May be, I was wrong.sergejm:Mi amas de mia najbaro propran katonEverything else you've written makes sense, but I don't think the above sentence is grammatical.
Mi vidas de mia najbaro propran katon
They can understand it so:
I see my own cat from my neighbor's house.
Mi vidas de mia najbaro mian propran katon aux lian propan katon
The second personnel adjective really helps narrow down whose "own" cat.
sergejm (Profiel tonen) 12 augustus 2014 07:03:39
Kyu:I wanted only expain why the word order cannot be changed. The adding of "mian" or "lian" makes the situation more clear, but doesn't show necesity of the word order "la (propra) kato de mia najbaro". "Propra" cannot help it, as I thought first time.
Would make more sense to me if one said
Mi vidas de mia najbaro mian propran katon aux lian propan katon
The second personnel adjective really helps narrow down whose "own" cat.