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Why is this wrong?

od Alkanadi, 10. septembra 2014

Príspevky: 25

Jazyk: English

nornen (Zobraziť profil) 10. septembra 2014 23:30:22

morfran:If the subjects are different in both clauses, the subordinate clause is introduced by ke
Concise and correct. No more explanations needed. +10 internets from me.

sudanglo (Zobraziť profil) 11. septembra 2014 11:02:51

There's a lot more to driving than steering, at least in countries where manual gear change is prevalent.

To drive a car - konduki aŭton, ŝofori aŭton.

Do you want cars to drive themselves? - Ĉu vi bonvenigus la sen-ŝoforan aŭton?

sergejm (Zobraziť profil) 11. septembra 2014 11:17:08

sudanglo:
To drive a car - konduki aŭton, ŝofori aŭton.

Do you want cars to drive themselves? - Ĉu vi bonvenigus la sen-ŝoforan aŭton?
"to drive themselves" doesn't mean sen-ŝofora (driverless).
Railway automation does almost all is needed, but this doesn't mean train don't need engine driver.

sudanglo (Zobraziť profil) 11. septembra 2014 11:45:20

If feel that there is a worthwhile distinction between senŝofora aŭto and the car that can be switched into a mode in which a computer takes over the driving (for a time), then we can refer to an aŭto kun memkonduka(senŝofora) kapablo/funkcio.

Perhaps you would like the term robo-aŭto.

Incidentally, the Docklands Light Railway in London has trains with no driver's cabin (do sen lokomotiv-estro), though perhaps a member of staff (konduktoro) patrols the train to limit fare-dodgers and to open the doors and make announcements in an emergency.

sergejm (Zobraziť profil) 11. septembra 2014 11:52:27

In Russian, this is named 'автопилот' 'aŭtomata piloto' 'auto(matic )pilot', even the vehicle is not a plane.

kaŝperanto (Zobraziť profil) 12. septembra 2014 11:50:09

sudanglo:There's a lot more to driving than steering, at least in countries where manual gear change is prevalent.

To drive a car - konduki aŭton, ŝofori aŭton.

Do you want cars to drive themselves? - Ĉu vi bonvenigus la sen-ŝoforan aŭton?
What about "Ĉu vi volus memveturigantajn veturilojn?"

After all, the English term I hear most often is "self-driving car", and it gets around the scenario where the driver has a heart attack and the car becomes a "driverless car". okulumo.gif
Also, the question really being asked pertains to vehicles in general as opposed to just cars.

Also, manual transmission for life! ridego.gif Automatics remove the fun from driving and you lose some control vs a manual.

johmue (Zobraziť profil) 12. septembra 2014 12:07:55

kaŝperanto:
sudanglo:There's a lot more to driving than steering, at least in countries where manual gear change is prevalent.

To drive a car - konduki aŭton, ŝofori aŭton.

Do you want cars to drive themselves? - Ĉu vi bonvenigus la sen-ŝoforan aŭton?
What about "Ĉu vi volus memveturigantajn veturilojn?"
Cars that give themselves a lift?

sudanglo (Zobraziť profil) 12. septembra 2014 12:17:20

If the driver has as heart attack or falls asleep at the wheel, this doesn't convert the car into a senŝofora aŭto.

If the driver opens the door and jumps out, then the car is for a time sen ŝoforo, but again that doesn't make it memkonduka, which has to be a more permanent feature of the car.

A rapida aŭto doesn't stop being a rapida aŭto when it is parked, and an intelligenta homo can occasionally act stupidly.

Clarence666 (Zobraziť profil) 12. septembra 2014 17:02:19

Cxu vi bonvenigus auxtojn, kiuj kapablas sxofori sin mem?

RiotNrrd (Zobraziť profil) 14. septembra 2014 18:10:14

Well, we could always tie the roots together a little stronger, to draw a distinction between a car less a driver, and a driverless car.

senŝofora aŭto: any car lacking a driver for any reason

senŝoforaŭto: any car that is meant to be driverless, at least some of the time (i.e., it has those capabilities, although they may be able to be turned off or overridden)

The pronunciation is sufficiently different that it is reasonably easy to distinguish between the two, if spoken rather than written.

Could throw an additional "o" in the middle, and maybe even a hyphen: senŝoforoaŭto or senŝoforo-aŭto. I personally like my first example best, though, as the extra "o" doesn't really add much beyond an extra syllable. The hyphen clarifies it a bit when written, but I'm not sure how necessary that is (and if you don't use the extra "o", it isn't at all).

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