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语言: English
vikungen (显示个人资料) 2014年11月13日下午12:23:40
I understand you would say: John kaj Marko estas kun Georg.
But how would one translate these sentences?
"Kill it with fire before it lays eggs."
"A woman with a swimming suit"
Kirilo81 (显示个人资料) 2014年11月13日下午12:55:18
"Kill it with fire before it lays eggs."Mortigu ĝin fajre/per fajro, antaŭ ol ĝi metos ovojn. (instrument)
"A woman with a swimming suit"Virino kun bankostumo. ("company" in the broadest sence)
Mustelvulpo (显示个人资料) 2014年11月13日下午1:52:13
Kirilo81 (显示个人资料) 2014年11月13日下午1:53:47
AxelMajere (显示个人资料) 2014年11月13日下午2:24:57
Kirilo81:Just to sharpen my understanding: Does English "A woman with a swimming suit" imply that she is wearing it?No, it implies she has a swimming suit with her, as in carrying it. A woman in a swimming suit would be wearing it.
Alkanadi (显示个人资料) 2014年11月13日下午2:26:41
Kirilo81:Just to sharpen my understanding: Does English "A woman with a swimming suit" imply that she is wearing it?No.
"A woman with a swimming suit..." --> She might be wearing it but it sounds like she is carrying it.
"A woman in a swimming suit..." --> She is wearing it.
"A woman wearing a swimming suit..." --> She is wearing it.
nornen (显示个人资料) 2014年11月13日下午3:25:14
Mustelvulpo:If you need to make clear that the woman is wearing the suit "virino portante bankostumon" or simply "virino en bankostumo" is more to the point."Virino portanta bankostumon" might backfire, because "porti" means literally "carry" and then figuratively "wear". Compare "virino portanta infanon".
Maybe less ambiguous [1]: "virino surhavanta bankostumon." or more simple and as you have already pointed out: "virino en bankostumo"
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[1] I always need to look up the spelling of "ambiguous".
vikungen (显示个人资料) 2014年11月13日下午5:03:30
Well so "in a bathing suit" it seems possible to say in Esperanto to remove the ambiguity of "with".
But how do you then say:
- A man with (in) a red jacket. [This will face the same question between in and with]
Viro en ruĝa jako?
Viro kun ruĝa jako?
- A man with red shoes. [Though this will face a different problem]
Viro en ruĝaj ŝuoj?
Viro kun ruĝaj ŝuoj?
